https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450208 Michael Andres changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |ma@novell.com AssignedTo|yast2-maintainers@suse.de |zypp-maintainers@forge.provo.novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450208 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450208#c2 Maciej Pilichowski changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|bluedzins@wp.pl | --- Comment #2 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-12-04 04:22:39 MST --- skip repo = mark repo as ignored foreach package in download list if package.repo is ignored skip package ---------------------- In the previous case I had to kill the yast, because I was about to upgrade KDE4 and since repo went dead I would have to skip each package from KDE4. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450208 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450208#c4 Ján Kupec changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |jkupec@novell.com --- Comment #4 from Ján Kupec 2008-12-04 06:19:19 MST --- This is not a good idea, as you can end up with severly broken system afterwards and being unable to recover from that. You should abort installation at that point, disable the repo manually, and start the package selection again. To avoid this problem, you should refresh the repositories _before_ selecting _lots_ of packages in the package selector and then realizing you can't install them. I would go for WONTFIX here. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450208 User jkupec@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450208#c6 --- Comment #6 from Ján Kupec 2008-12-04 08:37:13 MST --- (In reply to comment #5 from Maciej Pilichowski)

Jan -- you are of course for removing "skip" and "abort" as well. Because all arguments you gave hold for "skip"/"abort" too.

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To avoid this problem, you should refresh the repositories _before_ selecting _lots_ of packages in the package selector and then realizing you can't install them.

I always do this. And it does not solve the problem (by definition).

Why? If the repo goes broken between the refresh and hitting 'Finish' to install the packages, then you just have bad luck. That's quite a corner-case. And skipping the failing packages won't make it any better for you.

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You should abort installation

Same for abort.

No, if you abort at the very first 'can't get that package' error, you system is still in consistent state (putting aside circular dependencies). The packages are installed in correct order.

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at that point, disable the repo manually, and start the package selection again.

Maybe I know what I am doing and simply don't want to waste time to go through all the selecting, resolving conflicts, etc. ? Very likely.

There is no safe solution here, as long as Yast does not provide atomicy, rollback (already reported) and commit for whole operation or chunks of it. I could install 100 packages, 90th package will fail, I skip or abort and still end up with broken system.

"Skip all" is just helper (wrapper) for skip -- it does not provide lower or higher safety of operation. No magic bullet here -- if you insist on safety, rollback is the key, making installation more obscure and tiresome does not help.

Agreed. And it is IMO not very useful - not much added value vs. work needed + risks. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450208 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450208#c9 --- Comment #9 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-12-04 12:22:26 MST ---

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To avoid this problem, you should refresh the repositories _before_ selecting _lots_ of packages in the package selector and then realizing you can't install them.

I always do this. And it does not solve the problem (by definition).

Why? If the repo goes broken between the refresh and hitting 'Finish' to install the packages, then you just have bad luck. That's quite a corner-case.

From my experience -- I see this dialog way to often. And I don't even keep

Not exactly -- for you -- maybe. For me -- very often. I often use wifi connection with AP that likes to break connection. The repo can be unavailable from the start, and it won't be disabled. There are hundreds of cases (HDD out of space) that you can predict now and such also that you didn't anticipate. So it not wise to say -- oh well, this feature is dangerous, but it will be used only from time to time. track why repos are failing, I usually hit retry, but then skip. What can I do else?

And skipping the failing packages won't make it any better for you.

Jan, look, without rollback with yast there is _no_ safe solution. Whatever you do -- skip/abort -- you are stuck. And it is your luck and your knowledge to recover from the situation. So, the second this dialogs appears -- the user is in danger.

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Same for abort. No, if you abort at the very first 'can't get that package' error, you system is still in consistent state (putting aside circular dependencies). The packages are installed in correct order.

Not at all. I can get half KDE4.1.2 and half KDE4.1.3. There is not atomic install in yast -- sequencing installs does not solve this.

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"Skip all" is just helper (wrapper) for skip -- it does not provide lower or higher safety of operation. No magic bullet here -- if you insist on safety, rollback is the key, making installation more obscure and tiresome does not help.

Agreed. And it is IMO not very useful - not much added value vs. work needed + risks.

Again, the problem is this dialog appears. This is the fact. All what you can do is dangerous and at that point user is really on his/her own. If user does not know what is going on -- he/she ends up with a mess anyway. But if user knows what is going on -- why not give him/her a hand. [ tex installation .......... *..... ] [ gimp installation .... ] * here dialogs appear -- it is pretty sane for me to skip tex repo and jump to gimp. I will get summary anyway, so I know what I should try to install again. But at least I get this gimp working right away. text, gimp here are of course just examples.

And BTW, hitting Skip after apparent repository errors is not very wise => implementing a Skip All for this case is even less so => this is simply not a valid use case, don't you think?

It is valid use because the button already exist. Wise -- depends of the user, dangerous -- sure. But there is no "safe" button there -- abort is dangerous as well. You can add safety only but adding underlying layer -- committing chunks (or rollback in failure case). Without "skip all" power-user has to abort (time) and waste time to do the exactly same thing that "skip all" would do -- but do it manually. Now -- what is the benefit? Users spends 10 minutes more and...? Just to clarify -- I would like very much seeing rollback and commit -- this would really improve opensuse. Also undo install (reported, rejected). This is safety -- anything else are just workaround. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450208 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450208#c11 --- Comment #11 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-12-04 12:51:10 MST --- Rollback and download->install order: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=307714 Wontfix. So since safety is not valuable for yast, I will opt for having at least workaround such as "skip all" (however those reports are not related). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450208 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450208#c13 --- Comment #13 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-12-05 09:31:43 MST --- Now I am surprised -- if download all, install all is planned, than skip all makes more sense than now. Because I would be able to download what is downloadable now, skip all which are not, and then retry only those packages I had problems right before. So why closing this report? -- it is great companion to the other one. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.