[Bug 282678] New: easy way to disable beagle completely during installation
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282678 Summary: easy way to disable beagle completely during installation Product: openSUSE 10.3 Version: Alpha 4plus Platform: Other OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Normal Priority: P5 - None Component: Installation AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: sven.burmeister@gmx.net QAContact: jsrain@novell.com Even when started with nice beagle (including the cron-job) can lead to serious performance issues on older hardware because of its CPU, RAM and harddisk usage, the latter two not being handled by nice AFAIK. Even if it is only at the beginning, this "beginning" is the time a user measures the performance and snappyness of his new installation and obviously this "beginning" is not a fixed time-period but much longer on older hardware with less RAM and slower harddisks. Advanced users might know how to enter the package-management and disable it, most do not and should not have to. A simple checkbox with a line of explanation that on older hardware and for those who do not need a desktop-search beagle can be disabled completely would suffice. I am not sure whether strigi will replace beagle for those that install KDE4 and whether strigi is as performance-hungry as beagle is, yet if so a more general checkbox would be the better solution that disables either of the two, depending which desktop is installed. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282678 herenz9@netscape.net changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |herenz9@netscape.net ------- Comment #1 from herenz9@netscape.net 2007-06-10 12:04 MST ------- I also want to state, that in my eyes this is currently one of the biggest flaws in openSUSE installation. On slower computers beagle simply cannot be used, it even takes long to remove it graphically, beacause it is hogging up resources all the time. And I have a fast computer, and I do not want a tool which works in the background all the time. I knew where my files are and how to remove them. So, I do not want beagle, but it is really not an easy task to remove it, beacause you must know what you want to remove first... Would be cool, if there is one more dialog box during the installation, which asks you wether you want beagle or not on your computer.. Just my 2cents -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282678 chrubis@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team- |yast2-maintainers@suse.de |screening@forge.provo.novell| |.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282678 snwint@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|yast2-maintainers@suse.de |aj@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=282678 vaclavik@ujp.cz changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |vaclavik@ujp.cz ------- Comment #2 from vaclavik@ujp.cz 2007-06-13 00:08 MST ------- I prefer to set default instalafion WITHOUT beagle/kerry, independent of other sw selection. It dramatically reduced the efficiency of PC and I do not know any user what uses this feature (I maintain about 10 desktop PC with Linux and about 60 PC with Windows). I think, that speed of start of new installed PC is very important for acceptance by new users. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
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--- Comment #7 from Juraj VáclavíÂk
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Joe Shaw
Even if it is only at the beginning, this "beginning" is the time a user measures the performance and snappyness of his new installation and obviously this "beginning" is not a fixed time-period but much longer on older hardware with less RAM and slower harddisks.
This to me is more of a problem with the way cron jobs are handled in SUSE than necessarily a Beagle thing[*]. The fact that daily cron jobs are run 15 minutes after the initial install is not a very good idea, IMO, because of the reason you gave: it's when the user measures the performance and snappiness of the installation. [*] (Not that I disagree with you about not installing Beagle on slower machines. Desktop search is probably untenable there in any case.)
I am not sure whether strigi will replace beagle for those that install KDE4 and whether strigi is as performance-hungry as beagle is, yet if so a more general checkbox would be the better solution that disables either of the two, depending which desktop is installed.
The bottom line of desktop search is the same, regardless of which system you use: it has to parse and extract information from essentially every single file on your system, or at least your home directory. This has extremely high overhead in terms of the disk (there's no getting around having to read the bytes off the disk) and in CPU usage (all those file formats have to be parsed). There are obviously tradeoffs to be made and in the end Strigi might be better suited to the task, but my suspicion is that if a system can't reasonably handle Beagle, Strigi probably won't fare much better. Conditional install based on system resources just makes sense. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.
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Gary Ekker
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