https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026 Lubos Lunak changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|kde-maintainers@suse.de |wstephenson@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026 User hschaa@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026#c1 Helmut Schaa changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |tambet@novell.com Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |pablo@blueoakdb.com --- Comment #1 from Helmut Schaa 2008-12-11 05:19:34 MST --- (In reply to comment #0 from Pablo Sanchez)

If I'm on my wireless card and connect my Ethernet cable, I auto-switch to my cable. When I configured the Ethernet NIC, I did not select `Autoconnect'

That's maybe NM. It sets the ethernet up even if no connection is defined. Tambet, any idea?

While my wired NIC is connected to a cable, knetworkmanager refuses to allow me to switch to my wireless connection. Even if I `Deactivate connection', I remain on my wired NIC.

If you activate wireless while connected to a wired connection the wired connection won't be brought done resulting in a wired and a wireless connection at the same time. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026 User pablo@blueoakdb.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026#c3 Pablo Sanchez changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|pablo@blueoakdb.com | --- Comment #3 from Pablo Sanchez 2008-12-11 15:01:10 MST --- If you activate wireless while connected to a wired connection the wired connection won't be brought done resulting in a wired and a wireless connection at the same time. --- Shouldn't the user be warned or something? It's seems awkward at the very least that the above happens. I'm not sure why this bug is currently marked as NEEDINFO - do you need something from me? - I'm clearing the flag. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026 User pablo@blueoakdb.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026#c5 Pablo Sanchez changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|WONTFIX | --- Comment #5 from Pablo Sanchez 2008-12-12 05:01:19 MST --- (In reply to comment #4 from Helmut Schaa)

(In reply to comment #3 from Pablo Sanchez)

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If you activate wireless while connected to a wired connection the wired connection won't be brought done resulting in a wired and a wireless connection at the same time. --- Shouldn't the user be warned or something? It's seems awkward at the very least that the above happens.

That's intended behavior introduced in NetworkManager 0.7. Closing as WONTFIX.

What a horrible piece of code. Intended behavior? I upgraded my laptop from 11.0 to 11.1 RC1 and many things, including NetworkManager are broken. With the above attitude of (intended behavior for crappy software, and software which has regressed from 11.0), I don't see any reason for me to continue with openSUSE and help test. Thank you for making my decision obvious. Time to switch distro's. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026 User pablo@blueoakdb.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026#c7 --- Comment #7 from Pablo Sanchez 2008-12-12 05:21:41 MST --- Folks, we have a usability problem. Washing our hands from the problem because something is changed upstream or because we depend on NM means nothing to a regular user. What does a regular user care whether NetworkManager is dependent on NM or not. If the usability is confusing, you'll _never_ win the desktop people over. Never. Ubuntu people get it. Please re-read my three points and see how it's utterly confusing to have NetworkManager behave as it is doing. If you need to patch NetworkManager to not provide certain features because it depends on NM, then great. But to leave it as it currently is ... shouldn't be considered an option. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026 User tambet@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026#c9 Tambet Ingo changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|hschaa@novell.com |tambet@novell.com Status|NEEDINFO |ASSIGNED Info Provider|tambet@novell.com | --- Comment #9 from Tambet Ingo 2008-12-12 06:19:22 MST --- First of all, this is the same behavior as in 11.0 so claiming "update from 11.0 breaks" is wrong. Both real OSes that people use have the exact same behavior. Linux just wasn't able to do so prior to NM 0.7. Now that it is, people notice it, don't understand it, and call our code horrible. Yes, you are right, ubuntu does get it, and they do not change that behavior. I'm sorry you don't. What is confusing to regular user? That his running TCP connections don't get hung up just because they wanted to speed up a file transfer and plugged in the cable? Do you actually have a reason to call it broken? What doesn't work for you? A broken behavior from the past? Or is there a real issue? Why is a problem that the wireless device stays activated when a wired device is plugged in? All the new TCP traffic will go through the fastest device (but you already knew that, because otherwise, without reading the code, you wouldn't have called the code horrible, right?). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026 User pablo@blueoakdb.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026#c11 --- Comment #11 from Pablo Sanchez 2008-12-12 06:33:46 MST --- (In reply to comment #9 from Tambet Ingo)

Yes, you are right, ubuntu does get it, and they do not change that behavior. I'm sorry you don't.

Nice attitude. This pretty much seals the deal for me. I have been using openSUSE since 9.0 I worked hard at testing for 11.0. I even have a nice little thank you from the marketing manager. Nice to know a moronic attitude can turn off a user. Good luck with your distro and your attitude. I'm sure you'll get far. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026 User pablo@blueoakdb.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=457026#c13 Pablo Sanchez changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Comment #13 from Pablo Sanchez 2008-12-12 07:40:45 MST --- Closing bug. I'll use my testing time on another distro, where it's appreciated. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.