https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c2 Scott Couston changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED CC| |secure@aphofis.com Resolution|UPSTREAM | --- Comment #2 from Scott Couston 2013-02-23 20:25:47 EST --- (In reply to comment #1)

The popup is done by PackageKit daemon through polkit. You better report it upstream as this is nothing openSUSE can solve.

The Product is opensuse 12.1...It is NOT KDE??????. I will not accept close of this bug until it has been resolved in the Opensuse Product. Every KDE bug that is made here in Bugzilla creates an auto duplicate in KDE Bugzilla...If you close the bug here it closes the auto bug upstream. We are all here to resolve bug and not to squabble of who is at fault or responsible for this fix. The Product is Opensuse 12.1 and remains so...Escalate to QA without delays as unacceptable! -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c4 Scott Couston changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |CLOSED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #4 from Scott Couston 2013-02-24 12:22:06 EST --- Thank you Raymond. Your logic is helpful and constructive. I really do understand your plight and I thank you for your understanding. With respect to auto creation of separate Bugzilla! Where the synchronisation of KDE Workspace or Application was logged I base that view after almost 5 years of active development testing. It was most certainly the dual synchronisation that took place probably up until Bugzilla versions changed and evolved. Thank you for your advise on this not occurring currently. The difference in new versions being the fix for a mass load of bugs fixes I do understand. If I ever don’t make logic sense you have my happy permission to tell me:-) Unfortunately a PMS System without a Problem Manager makes the task of volunteers and paid staff often in conflict over priority, and handling of a huge database numbers that need to be administered. Without passion Linux would not be such a viable alternative around the world Closing this bug as FIXED IN 12.3 However much the reason code of fixed in version progression would normally not be qualify for this reason code -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c6 --- Comment #6 from Scott Couston 2013-08-04 11:46:03 EST --- Created an attachment (id=551071) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=551071) Apper Screen shot same PC -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c8 --- Comment #8 from Scott Couston 2013-08-04 11:47:53 EST --- Created an attachment (id=551073) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=551073) Apper Screen shot same PC -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c10 --- Comment #10 from Scott Couston 2013-08-04 11:48:55 EST --- Created an attachment (id=551075) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=551075) Apper Screen shot same PC -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c12 --- Comment #12 from Scott Couston 2013-08-04 11:51:00 EST --- Created an attachment (id=551077) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=551077) Apper Screen shot same PC -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c14 --- Comment #14 from Scott Couston 2013-08-04 11:52:33 EST --- Created an attachment (id=551079) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=551079) Apper Screen shot same PC -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c16 --- Comment #16 from Scott Couston 2013-08-04 11:53:44 EST --- Created an attachment (id=551081) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=551081) Apper Screen shot same PC -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c18 --- Comment #18 from Scott Couston 2013-08-04 11:55:48 EST --- Created an attachment (id=551083) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=551083) Apper Screen shot same PC -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c20 --- Comment #20 from Scott Couston 2013-08-04 11:58:39 EST --- Created an attachment (id=551085) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=551085) Apper Screen shot same PC -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c22 --- Comment #22 from Scott Couston 2013-08-04 12:06:18 EST --- Created an attachment (id=551087) --> (http://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=551087) Apper Screen shot same PC The discussion that needs to take place is...Can we commit time to fix the atrocious errors. If we cant we must back it out and not part of a default installation software selection and leave Yast Online Update because it works - every time - all the time without error For version 12.2 and 12.3 I think we need to consider auto update to completely remove installed Apper software from users installation and back it out of every other version type...I586/X_64............. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c24 --- Comment #24 from Raymond Wooninck 2013-08-04 07:46:26 UTC --- Dear Scott, You are now combining two different reports into the same bugreport, which is wrong. Also I don't really understand what you are trying to say with those bunch of screenshots. What is your point and more what is the exact bug that you want to report ? Resolving dependencies is a task of the PackageKit backend and not Apper's task. Apper will not do anything else than to show whatever PackageKit is indicating. Apper can not be compared to YaST or even zypper that has both logics in it. As indicated dependency issues should be reported on the product PackageKit and especially on the PackageKit-backend-zypp, which is the one that openSUSE is using. Of course you are free to raise the discussion again whether we should or shouldn't supply Apper with the standard openSUSE KDE desktop. However this discussion should not be doing inside a bugreport, but should be done on the opensuse-kde mailinglist. Only there we can have a honest discussion and take decisions. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c25 Hrvoje Senjan changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED CC| |hrvoje.senjan@gmail.com Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #25 from Hrvoje Senjan 2013-08-10 02:52:52 UTC --- Scott, as Raymond mentioned - please report each issue in a separate report, and against the correct components. Furthermore, for issues that are indeed in the apper application, report those upstream. Thanks. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c27 Christian Trippe changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED CC| |ctrippe@opensuse.org Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #27 from Christian Trippe 2013-08-13 05:28:17 UTC --- Scott, it is very simple. Every bug report should only contain one bug, otherwise it is invalid. And this is nothing special to the openSUSE bugzilla, but true for every bug tracking system I know. Regarding upstream vs. downstream (in this case bugs.kde.org vs bugzilla.novell.com) please read http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Bugreport_KDE especailly http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Bugreport_KDE#Report_at_bugzilla.novell.com_... All in all your report comes down to, do not ship apper but only rely on yast for online updates and this is something which belongs to the opensuse-kde mailinglist. (And this discussions already happened there more than once.) I am going to close this bug again. All the details for this case are already contained in comments 24 and 25. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c29 Scott Couston changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |CLOSED Resolution|INVALID |WONTFIX QAContact|ctrippe@opensuse.org |qa-bugs@suse.de --- Comment #29 from Scott Couston 2013-08-15 08:11:11 EST --- Using APPER as a software management tool is even more frightening for a development let alone a user perspective as installing software from APPER launches requests for root authority that are minimised and not in-focus. A user would not be able to find a minimised and out of focus plus escalation password minimised, out of focus and underneath the window in current focus. As a software Management tool there is a diverse range of selecting predefined groupings that fit into some grouping candidacy. If I select 'security' in the software manager I'm dumped with a list that comes from ???? predefined package list. Here I don’t have the opportunity to not show development and debug, non-32bit related and possibly non dependant listings, nor change of vendor no ability to keeping the file non-deleted or deleted (clean-up) afterwards. In this scenario, the user selects, deselected and deletes software based on a completely new unstandardised way of managing X-Windows. The scenario of installing the users selected packages goes through a trial run to confirm dependency issues at the last state before actual installation. The user is then presented only with cut and paste memory of the details of dependency issues,for the user to deselect or delete a package on the first selection list but only 1 at a time. Many dependency issues found in 'simulated runs' are solved one at a time per simulated run. If the user gets past the simulated test for dependency, auto associated dependant package appears in a huge list; mostly to install ever 32-bit version of selected native 64bit software. Well may we say, 'God save the Queen' because nothing will save apper from patch after patch of non conformance to GUI convention we established in the 11.x...versions...Having just put my foot in my mouth, I mean no disrespect to Her Majesty and the Royal House of Windsor.. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=805344#c31 --- Comment #31 from Scott Couston 2013-08-16 10:42:15 EST --- (In reply to comment #30)

(In reply to comment #29)

...

Using APPER as a software management tool ...

Scott, please then read the wiki: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB%3aApper#What_is_Apper.3F We are shipping apper as an *updater*, and YaST/zypper are recommended for "software management". Again, it has been said already how to deal, how and where to report specific and individual bug reports...

Hrvoje..I understand perfectly my point is to remove it from default installs of KDE/Gnome. It needs to be optional not mandatory for the very same reasons you just wrote to me about..:-) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.