http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237#c1 Lee Matheson changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |lee_matheson@hotmail.com --- Comment #1 from Lee Matheson 2010-05-24 14:23:26 UTC --- One idea is a work around to this (removal of sax2), which might be to produce a wiki with useful information to help users when there is no sax2 (and when Xorg auto config does not work), listing work arounds for different drivers. ie possibly things like using the boot code: "linux xdriver=vesa" or "linux xdriver=fbdev" (although those did not work well for me last time I tried them). other possible entries to a Graphic work around wiki would be how to force a vesa or fbdev boot when the "nomodeset" boot code does not work. For example, I successfully booted a laptop to the fbdev driver on an 11.3 liveCD when the "nomodeset" did not work (ie neither intel, nor vesa drivers worked). I did this by using "vi" to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-Device.conf, adding the line: Driver "fbdev" Thats a painful approach, but what else is there ? .. that is just an example, but if we are to remove sax2, I do not believe we can simply rely on Xorg automatically working, with 'nomodeset' as a work around. Thats not enough in my opinion. We need something more when sax2 is dropped, and maybe we can cover this with a good (really really good) wiki with work arounds ! Thanks for all your work ... I'm just trying to make my life easier on the forum support side of the house, when the complaints start coming in (which I predict will happen). -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237#c3 --- Comment #3 from Lee Matheson 2010-05-24 21:36:26 UTC --- I do understand if there are no maintainers, then it can't be maintained. :) .. C'est la vie. What are the odds of having various command line suggestions for Xorg being put in a wiki (or some other blog/venue) to train those of us who are trying to give support to openSUSE users whose graphics are not automatically configured by Xorg nor work with the "nomodeset" work around? I don't know enough to do this myself, as I don't know what is implemented in openSUSE kernel for boot codes ... etc .. Are "xmodule=fbdev" or "xmodule=vesa" supposed to work ? (I could not get them to work, but maybe my syntax was wrong). Are there other boot codes, etc ... Just who are the experts in this, who have the knowledge they can pass on? I managed to force a boot to fbdev with an edit to 50-device.conf, but is that approach frowned upon (when xorg auto conf, and nomodset work around fail) ? I assume proposing a wizard "other" than sax2 belongs in openFate, but thats too late for openSUSE-11.3. Hence my only idea is a support wiki. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237#c5 --- Comment #5 from Lee Matheson 2010-05-25 05:45:23 UTC --- This Gentoo X Server Configuration HOWTO/guide http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xorg-config.xml was pointed out to me, where they recommend, for cases where the Xorg failed to automatically configure X with a graphic card, not to immediately create an xorg.conf, but rather to attempt to tune HAL (see section 3 in that guide). Is the same true for openSUSE-11.3 ? This and the other points noted above (such as edits to /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-devices.conf, and running of "Xorg -configure" and using boot codes (which may or may not work) such as "xmodule=<driver> , are the sort of items I believe need to be captured in a wiki, by someone who understands the openSUSE implementation. IMHO that could mitigate the removal of sax2. Can anyone in SuSE-GmbH (or the openSUSE community) provide the information for such a wiki ? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237#c7 Lee Matheson changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO InfoProvider| |lee_matheson@hotmail.com --- Comment #7 from Lee Matheson 2010-06-08 08:20:53 UTC --- I see that this bug report was re-assigned to me to resolve ! Arggg .... I'm far from an expert on this. I did document the little I know here: http://forums.opensuse.org/information-new-users/advanced-how-faq-read-only/... and I could create a wiki with that information. But that is mostly based on reverse engineering examinations as to what has been done, as opposed to being on top of what is in place and what is planned for the future. Any suggestions as to where I should look to be better informed as to what SuSE-GmbH are implementing for grahics drivers (with the Xorg changes, and recent nVidia and ATI policies wrt legacy hardware and drivers) the entire Linux graphics driver situation is in more flux than what I am used to. :) -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237#c9 --- Comment #9 from Lee Matheson 2010-06-11 12:02:50 UTC --- Browsing the mailing lists I managed to learn that for 11.3 Xorg will use UDEV and not HAL: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2010-01/ ... but I'm still interested in the answer to the other questions I have on 2010-06-11 so I can create a helpful wiki to "fill the gap" between removal of sax2 and superior implementation of the Xorg autoconfig. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237#c11 --- Comment #11 from Lee Matheson 2010-06-12 09:16:13 UTC --- Stefan thank you for the pointers. For 11.3 I am thinking/proposing the guidance to give for users when Xorg fails to automatically configure X, and one can not reach X is the following order of tries: 1. Try from grub with boot code: nomodeset=1 2. Try from grub: failsafe 3. Try from run level-3 /etc/X11: cp xorg.conf.install xorg.conf [ie for fbdev boot if xorg.conf.install exists] 4. Try from run level-3: Xorg -configure ; cp /root/xorg.conf.new /etc/X11/xorg.conf (and edit as required (example change "radeon" to "vesa" driver ... )) 5. Try proprietary ATI or nVidia graphic driver (point to other wiki) 6. Using info from step-3 or step-4 above, edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/50-device.conf (or other file in that directory) 7. Try Udev edits as last resort (due to complexity) .. and of course anywhere during those steps, contact IRC chat #suse or openSUSE forums for help. The above is just an outline. Wiki would need hand holding details. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237#c13 Martin Seidler changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |Martin.Seidler@web.de --- Comment #13 from Martin Seidler 2010-06-22 19:51:19 UTC --- Shout the version be changed to "RC 1"? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=608237#c15 --- Comment #15 from Martin Seidler 2010-06-23 06:54:35 UTC --- (In reply to comment #14)

This new wiki is now located here: http://wiki.opensuse.org/SDB:Configuring_graphics_cards Now this great work is at http://wiki.opensuse.org/SDB:Configuring_graphics_cards as "SDB:Configuring graphics cards".

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