http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c2 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|sndirsch@novell.com | --- Comment #2 from Stefan Dirsch 2009-12-04 10:34:12 UTC --- In case we really want this. We need to make sure that the user knows that this only changes the Linux console keyboard layout and results in a *simple* X keyboard mapping for the system wide X keyboard layout. It does *not* change the keyboard layout for the user's session. Not immediately, not for the following sessions. At least in gdm you might still have a different keyboard layout, if the keyboard switcher in gdm has been used before - remembering the last setting. If we can't make this clear, (re)introducing this dialog would be more harm than benefit, since it would create a lot of confusion. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c4 --- Comment #4 from Ludwig Nussel 2009-12-04 12:17:49 UTC --- the problem exists on 11.2 right now and needs to be fixed there. Who knows how things are going to work on 11.3. GDM allowing to select a keyboard is not a new feature in 11.2, it's been there before. Also GDM associates the changed keyboard with the user who selected it, ie it's not a global setting any user inherits. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c8 --- Comment #8 from Ludwig Nussel 2009-12-07 09:42:53 UTC --- (In reply to comment #6)

(In reply to comment #4)

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GDM allowing to select a keyboard is not a new feature in 11.2, it's been there before.

No longer using sax2 for keyboard configuration is not related to the features of gdm or any other DM at all.

Exactly. You brought this up in comment #2 claiming it would cause confusion. Now the confusing thing is that we offer no way at all to set the console keyboard layout nor the default X keyboard layout.

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Also GDM associates the changed keyboard with the user who selected it, ie it's not a global setting any user inherits.

That's even better, so every user can configure his own keyboard setting already in the displaymanager!

Yeah great. It's quite common that a system has five different keyboards attached and each user needs a different layout. NOT! -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c Jiří­ Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Info Provider|jsrain@novell.com |coolo@novell.com -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c13 --- Comment #13 from Egbert Eich 2009-12-07 11:04:07 UTC --- I've tried this: if running 'yast keyboard' (console version) in an X session any changes made don't affect the current setting, the test line still shows the wrong settings. When doing the same on the text console, everything works OK. When using the 'YaST2 keyboard' version (GUI) the new layout is also set in X and the test line shows the correct results. This however affects the rest of the X session also and I'm not sure if this is what we want if a keyboard application is running on the desktop. We could: a. test if we are running on a text console and if not disable the keyboard test line. This would disable this line always when running in GUI mode. Replace the message by a b. rename the module to console-keyboard. If a. is considered to be too confusing the sax2 specific stuff could be replaced (should be fairly easy). The keyboard module could store the previous X keyboard setting and restore it when loosing input focus and on exit. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c15 Jiří­ Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |sndirsch@novell.com --- Comment #15 from Jiří­ Suchomel 2009-12-10 14:53:44 UTC --- sigh. I do not think this makes sense to change for 11.2. Stefan, what is the solution for 11.3? Should current functionality remain? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c17 Jiří­ Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |lnussel@novell.com --- Comment #17 from Jiří­ Suchomel 2009-12-11 09:04:03 UTC --- Ludwing, do you miss system wide X11 keyboard configuration or console keyboard configuration? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c19 --- Comment #19 from Jiří­ Suchomel 2009-12-11 09:22:08 UTC --- I mean, which part (there are 2 in comment 17) is more important. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c21 --- Comment #21 from Stefan Dirsch 2009-12-11 09:53:23 UTC --- This "lousy" desktop file is going to trigger a lot of confusion. See my comment #2. Also users are going to complain that there were a lot more options to specify with the old keyboard module (which was using SaX2 for the X keyboard configuration, but users don't know this). -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c23 Jiří­ Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |maintenance@opensuse.org --- Comment #23 from Jiří­ Suchomel 2009-12-11 12:49:55 UTC --- I'm giving up. Would this be possible to issue as 11.2 update? By "this", we mean re-adding a desktop file that enables 'yast2 keyboard' in YaST control center. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c25 --- Comment #25 from Stefan Dirsch 2009-12-11 13:06:17 UTC --- (In reply to comment #22)

Well, I don't buy this confusion argument. The yast2 keyboard module obviously is for the basic settings, it doesn't even try to be more than that.

Apparently you no longer remember the SaX2 keyboard module.

Anyone who needs more sophisticated stuff, dynamic layout switching etc will inevitability have to look elsewhere.

You could do this with the SaX2 keyboard module. People are going to ask for this, if we offer again a YaST keyboard module. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c27 --- Comment #27 from Christian Dengler 2009-12-11 13:13:55 UTC --- (In reply to comment #26)

Against an update here: -1 ;-)

Not your decision :-P (otherwise you have to join the maintenance team *G*) .. other opinions from MAINTENANCE team? It is hard to find a solution here ;-) -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c29 --- Comment #29 from Christian Dengler 2009-12-11 13:34:06 UTC ---

Sorry, didn't know you are from maintenance team.

I didn't mean it seriously ;-) Your opinion is important for us. To reintroduce it is not really important for me. From technical view: - ; for user view: + ;-)

You could do this with the SaX2 keyboard module. People are going to ask for this, if we offer again a YaST keyboard module.

ok, convinced: -1 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c31 --- Comment #31 from Christian Dengler 2009-12-14 16:15:25 UTC --- We need a solution here! ;-) update or no update? Do we have a proper solution for 11.3? -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c33 Magnus Boman changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |captain.magnus@opensuse.org --- Comment #33 from Magnus Boman 2009-12-14 21:38:32 UTC --- I think we should block the update for now, especially since there is no solution for 11.3. If we get any dupes/votes for this bug, then we should re-consider. -1 to update -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c35 Jiří­ Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |WONTFIX --- Comment #35 from Jiří­ Suchomel 2009-12-15 14:09:14 UTC --- This means wontfix for 11.2. Christian, Ludwig please discuss what do you want 11.3 and than tell me the result -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c37 --- Comment #37 from Stephan Kulow 2009-12-16 11:47:07 UTC --- I for one would put the keyboard module back in and name it System Keyboard or something. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c39 --- Comment #39 from Stephan Kulow 2009-12-16 12:57:18 UTC --- For good reasons, because it's silly. "System Keyboard" is not. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c41 Jiří­ Suchomel changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|WONTFIX | --- Comment #41 from Jiří­ Suchomel 2009-12-22 10:53:15 UTC --- OK, I propose this change in YaST keyboard module for 11.3: - add the removed desktop file back, label it "System Keyboard Layout" instead of the old "Keyboard Layout". - adapt the help text. Currently, this is shown _during installation_: Keyboard Configuration Choose the Keyboard Layout to use for installation and in the installed system. Test the layout in Test. For advanced options, such as repeat rate and delay, select Expert Settings. If unsure, use the default values already selected. - my proposal is to have slightly modified help text for the installed system, like: Keyboard Configuration Choose the Keyboard Layout to use in the system. Test the layout in Test. For advanced options, such as repeat rate and delay, select Expert Settings. Find more options as well as more layouts in the keyboard layout tool of your desktop environment. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c43 --- Comment #43 from Stefan Dirsch 2009-12-22 15:08:23 UTC --- (In reply to comment #41)

- my proposal is to have slightly modified help text for the installed system, like:

Keyboard Configuration [...] Test the layout in Test. [...]

Maybe remove this line completely? See Egbert's comment #13 why. -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713 http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=560713#c45 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |reiner@imageware.de --- Comment #45 from Stefan Dirsch 2010-01-04 09:42:09 UTC --- *** Bug 544217 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. *** http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=544217 -- Configure bugmail: http://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.