https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344030#c1 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |rich@hq.vsaa.lv --- Comment #1 from Stefan Dirsch 2007-12-03 09:58:37 MST ---

unfortunately, x11-video-nvidiaG01 lists x11-video-nvidia as upgradeable package, I don't believe this. Why do you think so?

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344030 User sndirsch@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344030#c3 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #3 from Stefan Dirsch 2007-12-05 04:39:48 MST --- This just means that x11-video-nvidia gets uninstalled if you install x11-video-nvidiaG01 manually. There is no PROVIDES for x11-video-nvidia. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344030 User sndirsch@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344030#c5 --- Comment #5 from Stefan Dirsch 2007-12-05 06:45:26 MST --- Guys, the Obsoletes has been added by intention. See Bug #270040, comment #54. AFAIK YaST is still the recommended tool to install packages on openSUSE. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344030 User sndirsch@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344030#c7 --- Comment #7 from Stefan Dirsch 2007-12-05 07:34:03 MST ---

I can't see that bug. I've added you to Cc of this bugreport. So hopefully now you can.

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https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344030 User gustavo@niemeyer.net added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344030#c9 --- Comment #9 from Gustavo Niemeyer 2007-12-05 08:48:36 MST --- Thanks for adding me there. I believe the issue here is that openSuSE is using RPM relations in ways that are not the traditional ways in which RPM relations are handled. E.g.: """ However, the Provides: entry triggers the selection of the new package during update. It is this field which tells, I'm taking over for the old package. The Obsoletes: just ensures an atomic replacement so that no dependencies are broken. """ That's from http://en.opensuse.org/Package_Dependencies#Renaming_a_package That's definitely not the way that these relations were meant to be used in RPM, and that's not the way that every other "package manager" (dependency solver, whatever) I'm aware of handles them. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344030 User sndirsch@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344030#c11 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |kkaempf@novell.com --- Comment #11 from Stefan Dirsch 2007-12-05 09:43:05 MST --- Gustavo, maybe you can discuss this with Klaus Kaempf and/or opensuse-packaging? He's the author of this document. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344030 User kkaempf@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=344030#c14 Klaus Kämpf changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |mls@novell.com, ma@novell.com --- Comment #14 from Klaus Kämpf 2007-12-14 06:29:02 MST --- I do not fully agree with comment #4 (but I am open for changes in this regard). Afaik, Obsoletes, as used by rpm, is a transitional (dynamic) dependency. If X obsoletes Y, installing X will implicitly uninstall Y. I am not aware that an obsoletes alone already defines an upgrade path. Only the combination of provides/obsoletes flags a package as an upgrade candidate. And thats how Fedora specifies it also, to my understanding: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/NamingGuidelines#head-3cfc1ea19d2897... Adding Michael Schroeder (mls), being the technical expert for dependency semantics. Adding Michael Andres (ma), being the engineer implementing these semantics. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.