https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=335510#c2 Stefan Hundhammer changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|sh@novell.com |schubi@novell.com --- Comment #2 from Stefan Hundhammer 2007-10-26 05:35:31 MST --- If we knew a solution without asking the user those questions, we wouldn't bother him with that. And besides, this is nothing that could possibly be changed on the UI level. If at all, it would be something for the solver. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=335510#c4 --- Comment #4 from Gero Mudersbach 2007-10-26 07:01:10 MST ---

If we knew a solution without asking the user those questions, we wouldn't bother him with that.

The solution would be to install the update even if it changes the provider of the package. If the package isn't locked somehow that would be no problem.

And besides, this is nothing that could possibly be changed on the UI level. If at all, it would be something for the solver.

Not sure. This bug is also about the meaning of the questions asked by yast. If such questions arise it should be more coherent so even a novice can get a clue what it means.

For one thing, it's a mind set problem. Compare here: http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

Okay, what are the goals here? Is it to have a desktop-system which is intended only for the enterprise where software-upgrades are handled by administrators who know what todo? Or is it also a system for small companies or stand-alone workstations (laptops, freelancers, home users etc.)? Linux is not Windows, thats for sure! But should it be complicated then? :)

The situation this bug report is all about is pathological. It is not the normal case. Sure, it would be desirable to not get into that situation in the first place. Is that feasible? I don't know.

I can only speak from my own experience. Everytime I have to update and or upgrade an openSuse system I have these dependency problems. I know why this is not the "normal" case: The standard installation of openSuse comes with no things like multimedia capabilities (like mp3, DVD etc.) and other toys. These days you can tell nobody that it's impossible to handle an encrypted DVD or just play an mp3 file for an operating system. So everybody, even the corporate users with their laptops using free operating systems install that things on top of the normal system. So almost everybody (at least the many I know) have additional repos configured that provide such packages. Now, the openSuse community could say: "Hey, it's not our fault." Thats right, but we could also take this opportunity to improve the user experience and usability of the system. My proposals for the first step are as follows: - Examine the usability of yast and its underlying solver in conjunction with dependency problems - Check if the descriptions of problems reported by yast are coherent and distinct - Check if it is possible to optimize the solving process (don't ask the user about the same package twice, embrace dependency problems concerning the same package) -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.