[Bug 248599] New: do not limit mice number
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 Summary: do not limit mice number Product: openSUSE 10.2 Version: Final Platform: i586 OS/Version: Other Status: NEW Severity: Minor Priority: P5 - None Component: YaST2 AssignedTo: bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com ReportedBy: bluedzins@wp.pl QAContact: jsrain@novell.com It is not uncommon to have several mice -- trackpoint, touchpad, and real mouse for example. It is no easy way to get it configured, while on contrast on Windows, the user has just to plug the mouse and that's it. I tried to manually merge two xorg.conf's (trackpoint+touchpad and trackpoint+mouse) but it failed, so currently only trackpoint and touchpad are working (btw. any help in configuring them is very appreciated :-)). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 chrubis@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team- |ms@novell.com |screening@forge.provo.novell| |.com | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 ------- Comment #1 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-02-26 06:03 MST ------- PS. I managed to manually configure all of them, but the first part of the report is still valid of course. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID ------- Comment #2 from ms@novell.com 2007-02-26 06:04 MST ------- this is bugzilla not a support page ;) If you don't mind contact the support with your concern If you think you have found a bug, read the following article first http://en.opensuse.org/Submitting_Bug_Reports thanks -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 bluedzins@wp.pl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|INVALID | ------- Comment #3 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-02-26 06:41 MST ------- Yast limits number of mice to two -- and my reports clearly says "do not do this". Period. Just let the other configure even 24 mice if they are really connected to computer. Yes, I added some personal question just because, guess what, Yast limits the number of mice. And yes, I noted that I managed to to solve the problem manually which indicates that it is possible to build a GUI tool for doing so. So Marcus, please do not insult reporters by being over-ironically-witty -- it is annoying and kind of rude. Thank you. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WORKSFORME ------- Comment #4 from ms@novell.com 2007-02-26 07:12 MST ------- sorry but I don't understand your concern. All mice connected are handled by the kernel over one interface named "input" this is a multiplexer device for all mice connected. The events are seen /dev/input/mice any other input driver which requires special handling like touchpads tablets, touchscreens are handled as separate configurations. The input panel named touchpad can be configured on the fly by using ksynaptics on your desktop I don't see a bug here -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 bluedzins@wp.pl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|WORKSFORME | ------- Comment #5 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-02-26 07:44 MST ------- I set category for Yast, not Xorg. Yast -> Hardware -> Mouse. How many mice you can configure? Two. And I have three. I have no chance to configure mouse, touchpad, and trackpoint using Yast. All I can do, is to manually edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf. Of course Yast can help a bit, because I can configure two of three and look how the xorg.conf looks like, but you cannot call this modern (GUI) configuration. Note on xorg.conf though (unrelated to this report), /dev/input/mice only works for me for trackpoint and touchpad, for mouse (I mean, real mouse) I have to use ttsy0. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |WORKSFORME ------- Comment #6 from ms@novell.com 2007-02-26 10:05 MST ------- yes you have three devices and two of them are handled via the same device trackpoint and touchpad I cannot offer you a dialog to distinguish between them the kernel takes over control of both in /dev/input/mice ---> these two are seen as one mouse in sax/yast the other mouse is a serial device which is not handled by the kernel and therefore seen as another input device ----> this is the second entry in sax/yast You saw two devices to configure and that's correct -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 bluedzins@wp.pl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|RESOLVED |REOPENED Resolution|WORKSFORME | ------- Comment #7 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-02-26 10:38 MST ------- Marcus, slow down. I unplug the mouse, there are two hardware ~mice -- trackpoint and touchpad. I run Yast, how many mice? Two. Trackpoint and touchpad. Correct? Correct. I plug in extra mouse (serial) -- how many mice I have? Three. I run Yast, how many mice I see -- two. Trackpoint and touchpad. My point is -- Yast should allow me to add another mice. So you are completely wrong in the first step (I see two devices, not one --> they are seen as separate devices, in Yast and in Xorg), and in second step too --> yast simply does not see another device, but xorg does. Btw. the bottom line is Yast should not put more restriction that Xorg has -- and since Xorg allows me to configure three distinct devices I expect Yast would do the same. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |bluedzins@wp.pl ------- Comment #8 from ms@novell.com 2007-02-27 01:17 MST ------- First I should mention that it doesn't matter if you are talking about yast or sax this is all handled by the libsax library so in principal we are talking about sax. Next, serial devices are not hot-pluggable so how do you expect the operating system to recognize your change ? In case of xorg you have changed the configuration and restarted the X-Server... so you explicitly told the system to re-init all input devices. In case of libsax used in yast and sax I didn't probe for hardware which wasn't registered automatically. You need to tell the system that there are changes to the hardware: sax2 -r (reprobe) it should find your serial device now if it is connected, shouldn't it ? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Severity|Minor |Normal -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Summary|do not limit mice number |serial mouse device not found -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 bluedzins@wp.pl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |REOPENED Info Provider|bluedzins@wp.pl | ------- Comment #9 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-02-27 01:51 MST -------
Next, serial devices are not hot-pluggable so how do you expect the operating system to recognize your change
I don't. And I didn't say so. I would expect to have button "add mouse" which add another tab into the dialog, and I have ability to configure the mouse. Or after clicking "add" button there would be a question "auto recognize connected mice?". Which would solve the problem entirely. You set needinfo status -- you mean I should run sax2 -r and see what is happening? Which what xorg.conf file and in which situation. Runlevel 3 and then sax2 or I should start X, and then sax2? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |bluedzins@wp.pl ------- Comment #10 from ms@novell.com 2007-02-27 02:08 MST ------- I'm sorry but I will not allow a user to add hardware components within a user interface. We intentionally changed exactly that ... selecting driver adding mouse, adding cards, etc... because of the following reasons: - The usability department marked that as bad style and they are right - Most people don't understand it - Most people expect plug and play - It could cause X server crashes if non existent components are added adding a "reprobe" button doesn't work for all devices as soon as a X-Server instance is running (it will block all non active input devices for security reasons). That's why "-r" exists and last but assumedly not least, yes I asked you to call sax2 with -r to see if the mouse was detected or not. A tip from my side, why not use a mouse from this century it will solve all your problems ;) And by the way it is not needed to reopen a bug which wasn't closed I was just asking a question Thanks -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 bluedzins@wp.pl changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |REOPENED Info Provider|bluedzins@wp.pl | ------- Comment #11 from bluedzins@wp.pl 2007-02-27 05:02 MST ------- About adding the button -- removing features without improving software is dead end I think. Compare it to Windows, ok, it does not have button "add mouse" but it does good job detecting it. As a temporary workaround info about "sax -r" would be welcomed. Or "advanced" tab. sax -r -- it works fine, indeed it detected three mice. And about modern mouse :-) well, wheel in mouse causes RSI so I want three button mouse but without wheel. And such mice are no longer produced, so I have to stick to the old one :-) Modern doesn't mean better, unfortunately. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=248599 ms@novell.com changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|REOPENED |RESOLVED Resolution| |LATER ------- Comment #12 from ms@novell.com 2007-03-06 02:42 MST ------- I can understand your concern, and yes modern doesn't mean better your are definitely right here. Concerning "-r" I will talk to my colleagues Thanks -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug, or are watching someone who is.
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