https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c2 Maciej Pilichowski changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|bluedzins@wp.pl | --- Comment #2 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-10-13 04:48:38 MDT --- Hmm, does installer after license agreement try to connect somewhere? Because I tried to send logs from OS11.1 LiveCD and it crashed after a moment of downloading the webpage. Logs follow. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 Michal Seben changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com |yast2-maintainers@suse.de -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c5 Maciej Pilichowski changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|bluedzins@wp.pl | --- Comment #5 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-10-13 07:12:12 MDT --- There is no such file. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c7 Maciej Pilichowski changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|bluedzins@wp.pl | --- Comment #7 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-10-13 07:52:04 MDT --- No, there is not (also there is no such file in root home directory). id --user 999 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User visnov@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c9 Stanislav Visnovsky changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|yast2-maintainers@suse.de |jsrain@novell.com --- Comment #9 from Stanislav Visnovsky 2008-10-13 07:57:35 MDT --- Jiri, any idea what's going on? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c11 Maciej Pilichowski changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|bluedzins@wp.pl | --- Comment #11 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-10-13 13:51:34 MDT --- Jiri, I sent what I get from save_y2logs -- of course this from live system, not after installation because installation does not work. Yast? You mean, save_y2logs? Sure, it is not in the path of regular user. This beta2 for me is very unstable -- in 3 tries installer crashed twice, it hang up once. Konq. in 3 tries crashed once, hang up once (or entire system, hard to tell). FF in 2 tries crashed once, once hang up once (or entire system). I installed pretty much a lot of systems using VB -- KDE4Daily, KDE4Live (4.0, based on OS), Debian Lenny, what else, I don't even remember, all worked fine. Only OS11.1B2 misbehaves. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User jsrain@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c13 Jiri Srain changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |bluedzins@wp.pl --- Comment #13 from Jiri Srain 2008-10-14 06:35:52 MDT --- Yes, X-server's log and ~/.xsession-errors will probably be the right source of information. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c15 --- Comment #15 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-10-14 07:34:28 MDT --- Created an attachment (id=245432) --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=245432) xsession-errors -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User sndirsch@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c17 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |NEEDINFO Info Provider| |bluedzins@wp.pl --- Comment #17 from Stefan Dirsch 2008-10-15 01:55:00 MDT --- If really the Xserver is crashing I need /var/log/Xorg.0.log instead of /var/log/Xorg.0.log *right* after the crash happened. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User sndirsch@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c19 --- Comment #19 from Stefan Dirsch 2008-10-15 02:09:41 MDT --- Sorry, I've meant /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old. Yes, *right* after the crash. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 Stefan Dirsch changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Attachment #245607|application/x-trash |text/plain mime type| | -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c22 --- Comment #22 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-10-15 03:35:26 MDT --- Crash -> I am not saying this is technically crash, from user point of view it looks like crash. Maybe X get legal signal to restart, like ctrl+bksp+alt (?, I didn't press it :-) ), or maybe it crashed without leaving trace. Anyway, the effect is, the screen blinks, and I see KDM -- all work is gone. Today it happend while working in Konsole and twice while trying to get further than license agreement in Installer. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c24 Maciej Pilichowski changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|bluedzins@wp.pl | --- Comment #24 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-10-17 00:39:25 MDT ---

Then after accepting the license the Xsession/Xserver of your regular Linux crashes. Is this correct?

No! X inside VBox crashes. My regular system is running fine all the time.

Make sure you attach /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old *right* after the crash of your regular Linux.

I attached this log after X crash. Well, now is the question what is "right after". X crashed, KDM showed up, I logged in, I copied this log -- Xorg.0.log.old and attached it here. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c26 Maciej Pilichowski changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEEDINFO |NEW Info Provider|bluedzins@wp.pl | --- Comment #26 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-10-17 03:24:02 MDT --- Ok :-) Host system + Virtual Box 2.0.2 + guest system (opensuse 11.1 beta 2). Host system is OK, let's forget about it. OS11.1B2 works within VirtualBox. Virtual Box is OK, so I don't mention it from now. So, I start OS11.1B2 from LiveCD KDE, KDE4.x starts, there is installer on the desktop. I run it. First dialog appears -- language, keyboard, license agreement. I click next. After few seconds, screen (within VB) blinks, and X server is crashed/restarted (*), I don't know. The effect is I see KDM and I can start everything again. (*) X log was attached in https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c20 In other words I cannot run OS11.1B2 under VB because X server (in OS11.1B2) crashes (within VB). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 Cyril Hrubis changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- AssignedTo|bnc-team-screening@forge.provo.novell.com |yast2-maintainers@suse.de -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User eich@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c29 Egbert Eich changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- CC| |eich@novell.com --- Comment #29 from Egbert Eich 2008-10-20 04:15:11 MDT --- I don't think it's a yast issue since it's also happening during normal operation (outside from install). However, the Xserver isn't crashing, there is no indication for this in the log. Also there are no error messages that would indicate that the server is terminating due to some other condition. Also the module unloads point to a controlled shutdown. Maciej, have you tried the LiveCD on a physical system (not inside a Vbox)? Do you get the same behavior there? How much memory does the system in the VirtualBox have? Could it be that the Xserver got killed due to an out-of-memory condition? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User eich@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c31 Egbert Eich changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |INVALID --- Comment #31 from Egbert Eich 2008-10-21 04:56:16 MDT --- (In reply to comment #30 from Maciej Pilichowski)

Nobody didn't answer if next step in installer is something with the network. The answer is -- yes.

Now, some new info.

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How much memory does the system in the VirtualBox have?

256MB. It was sufficient for all other Linux distros.

You are running from a livecd, aren't you? Those livecds typically use a lot of memory as they need to keep parts of the non-permanent file system data in RAM.

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Could it be that the Xserver got killed due to an out-of-memory condition?

Yes, I increased RAM to 1GB and installer get to next step. This way I get to know, there is network-related step.

Just there or did the install succeed?

Some remarks: a) crashing an app just because there is no memory is not very user-friendly b) installer should fit in this RAM, but if it is not now, _it_ should crash, not X

For 11.1 256MB is very low - if you don't have swap space in addition. At the moment I don't know who kills X and how it dies. In any case it seems to be termniated normally (SIGTERM) not with (SIGSEGV or SIGKILL). The instance which terminates processes in a low memory situation usually does not know about X. The discussion about the best policy to apply in such a situation are as old as the computer. It takes place elsewhere. There are very few complaints about this issue, though, most use cases this seems to be pretty irrelevant.

So maybe now you are curious what is about that network I keep mentioning. Well, I set RAM back to 256MB, I turned network off, and suddenly it was enough RAM to go to 2nd step in installer. No X restarting.

OK. So possibly the yast networking module caused your memory to go low. This doesn't answer why your memory went low under normal usage. You can use tools like free, ps, top etc. to monitor memory consumption while you are working and try to identify who needs how much memory.

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have you tried the LiveCD on a physical system (not inside a Vbox)?

Nope. Currently my intention is to use opensuse inside VB. Not only for betas, but for 11.1 too.

I asked this question merely to have more information for tracking down this issue. In cases where we cannot easily reproduce a problem locally we need to ask the user to try different things in his environment. To me this is not really a bug. At least not one in X. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c33 --- Comment #33 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-10-22 04:38:42 MDT --- I use now 512MB in VB. When installer is running free -m shows used 495, free 6 cache used 160, free 341 however "ps v" does not show anything significant which could allocate so much memory. X takes 6.2% of memory, else processes are below 1%. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c36 --- Comment #36 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-10-27 06:53:14 MDT ---

But I don't think we want to invest into installing live under 256MB.

Even then the information dialog "your system does not fullfil requirements..." would be much more informative than crashing some app. And you are also wrong -- this is live CD, not just installer. I can have 512MB RAM run OpenOffice and installer and in result I will get 256MB for installer. It is not the problem how much memory I have in the system, but how much memory for installer. And it always be (too) low. So either installer or X should handle such situation more gracefully -- i.e. do not assume allocation always is possible.

Check dmesg output.

After or before the crash/restart? -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User jsrain@novell.com added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c38 Jiri Srain changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Status|NEW |RESOLVED Resolution| |FIXED --- Comment #38 from Jiri Srain 2008-11-04 05:00:33 MST --- I've added a warning if less than 1GB of memory is detected suggesting to stop all applications. I don't think there is anything more we can do, since users may start/stop memory-consuming applications while live installer is running (and even if at the beginning it seems there is enough memory, in the end it needn't be). -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c40 --- Comment #40 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-11-07 13:57:59 MST --- See also: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4942 -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561 User bluedzins@wp.pl added comment https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=434561#c42 --- Comment #42 from Maciej Pilichowski 2008-11-10 03:13:41 MST --- Of course there could be as low memory that even running hello-world is not possible but this an extreme example. And here we deal with not theoretical problem, but taken from real life -- there is enough to run program, to load an image, icons, to process full installation.

Failing allocations should be handled properly,

Exactly, and this is all this report is about. From my experience installer did not do the needed job. -- Configure bugmail: https://bugzilla.novell.com/userprefs.cgi?tab=email ------- You are receiving this mail because: ------- You are on the CC list for the bug.