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Andres Silva

23 Nov 2013 23 Nov '13

15:57

Hey everyone! Now that 13.1 is out of the oven, happy release everyone! I wanted to propose some changes for 13.2. Since the dark theme created by our contributors has gained some good popularity among the community and reviewers, I think it is not too far fetched to propose to “keep” this dark theme for upcoming versions of openSUSE. I would say at least through the 13 series and only make a major change to it from version 14 on. This would give us a really long tome to mature the theme even further, theme other elements of the distribution that need it and keep consistency with our users. Here is a tentative list of what changes we could help make for version 13.2 - Revamp vine wallpaper (Make a new version but keeping the same vine idea from 12.3 and 13.1) - Change default font (KDE and Gnome) to Open Sans (a great and very complete font family very readable) - Add “New” vine wallpaper to alternative desktops - Finish complementary wallpaper collection package - Start the creation (integration if time permits) of a “light” version of the KDE plasma theme - Create a matching dark version of a Gnome Shell theme somewhat matching KDE’s dark plasma theme (will have to investigate this one and learn it) Reasons It is always a good question to ask why the changes are being proposed. I would say, these changes push a little forward into making openSUSE extra singular and also look similar, by default, across different desktop flavors. I invite our group to make suggestions and set ourselves goals for 13.2. Thank you! Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

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šumski

23 Nov 23 Nov

19:07

On Saturday 23 of November 2013 08:57:22 Andres Silva wrote:

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Hey everyone! Hey Andy,

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Here is a tentative list of what changes we could help make for version 13.2

- Revamp vine wallpaper Please, pretty please ;-)

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- Change default font (KDE and Gnome) to Open Sans (a great and very complete font family very readable) Sounds good to me at least, would need some discussion though IMHO.

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- Finish complementary wallpaper collection package Sounds good

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- Start the creation (integration if time permits) of a “light” version of the KDE plasma theme Sounds good

Bruno Friedmann

20:20

On Saturday 23 November 2013 08.57:22 Andres Silva wrote:

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Hey everyone!

Now that 13.1 is out of the oven, happy release everyone!

I wanted to propose some changes for 13.2. Since the dark theme created by our contributors has gained some good popularity among the community and reviewers, I think it is not too far fetched to propose to “keep” this dark theme for upcoming versions of openSUSE. I would say at least through the 13 series and only make a major change to it from version 14 on. This would give us a really long tome to mature the theme even further, theme other elements of the distribution that need it and keep consistency with our users.

Here is a tentative list of what changes we could help make for version 13.2

- Revamp vine wallpaper (Make a new version but keeping the same vine idea from 12.3 and 13.1) Until the green is a variation of "#FFBFF0" and also we get ride of geeko on a leave of giant beans, I'm okay ;-) One big changes would be to finally get one big wallpaper (think about the 3200x1800 pixels screen coming) and be able to pick a part (crop) of it for each resolution would be perfect compared to the waste we have actually. - Change default font (KDE and Gnome) to Open Sans (a great and very complete font family very readable) Should be a default for all the desktop we have. Questions how behave openSUSE for non regular charset like chinese, and others (nordic etc) If this is the font http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans you can see there's a lot of missing char.

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- Add “New” vine wallpaper to alternative desktops Take it at todo, find alternative desktops maintainer, and contact them to join the branding effort. - Finish complementary wallpaper collection package You mean start a new collection right ? - Start the creation (integration if time permits) of a “light” version of the KDE plasma theme What is this one? I don't understand, sorry. - Create a matching dark version of a Gnome Shell theme somewhat matching KDE’s dark plasma theme (will have to investigate this one and learn it) What do you mean by that ?

Reasons

It is always a good question to ask why the changes are being proposed. I would say, these changes push a little forward into making openSUSE extra singular and also look similar, by default, across different desktop flavors.

...

I invite our group to make suggestions and set ourselves goals for 13.2.

Thank you!

Andy (anditosan) Having booting a 11.4 and a 12.2 recently those design miss me. and 12.3/13.1 look a bit sad compared.

-- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Andres Silva

21:50

Andy (anditosan) On Nov 23, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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On Saturday 23 November 2013 08.57:22 Andres Silva wrote:

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Hey everyone!

Now that 13.1 is out of the oven, happy release everyone!

I wanted to propose some changes for 13.2. Since the dark theme created by our contributors has gained some good popularity among the community and reviewers, I think it is not too far fetched to propose to “keep” this dark theme for upcoming versions of openSUSE. I would say at least through the 13 series and only make a major change to it from version 14 on. This would give us a really long tome to mature the theme even further, theme other elements of the distribution that need it and keep consistency with our users.

Here is a tentative list of what changes we could help make for version 13.2

- Revamp vine wallpaper (Make a new version but keeping the same vine idea from 12.3 and 13.1) Until the green is a variation of "#FFBFF0" and also we get ride of geeko on a leave of giant beans, I'm okay ;-) One big changes would be to finally get one big wallpaper (think about the 3200x1800 pixels screen coming) and be able to pick a part (crop) of it for each resolution would be perfect compared to the waste we have actually. - Change default font (KDE and Gnome) to Open Sans (a great and very complete font family very readable) Should be a default for all the desktop we have. Questions how behave openSUSE for non regular charset like chinese, and others (nordic etc) If this is the font http://www.google.com/fonts/specimen/Open+Sans you can see there's a lot of missing char.

Sans Serif is probably missing more than open sans. However, if there are other similar font families out there with a refined look, like open sans and more complete, we can suggest other alternative collections. I did some testing on KDE and Gnome and open sans responded quite well to clarity and definition. But this does not mean it is the “only” family we can consider.

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- Add “New” vine wallpaper to alternative desktops Take it at todo, find alternative desktops maintainer, and contact them to join the branding effort. - Finish complementary wallpaper collection package You mean start a new collection right ?

The collection is already there, we just did not have the time to make the different resolutions and actually package them.

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- Start the creation (integration if time permits) of a “light” version of the KDE plasma theme What is this one? I don't understand, sorry. - Create a matching dark version of a Gnome Shell theme somewhat matching KDE’s dark plasma theme (will have to investigate this one and learn it) What do you mean by that ?

Gnome has a shell theme that is already dark, but it does not match the KDE plasma theme. My idea is to either create or edit one to match more closely to what KDE has.

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Reasons

It is always a good question to ask why the changes are being proposed. I would say, these changes push a little forward into making openSUSE extra singular and also look similar, by default, across different desktop flavors.

...
I invite our group to make suggestions and set ourselves goals for 13.2.

Thank you!

Andy (anditosan) Having booting a 11.4 and a 12.2 recently those design miss me. and 12.3/13.1 look a bit sad compared.

--

Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch

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Rajko

24 Nov 24 Nov

00:35

On Sat, 23 Nov 2013 21:20:26 +0100 Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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and 12.3/13.1 look a bit sad compared

People are used to gradients this days. Flat stuff, or simple graphics, is not in trend. I see attempts to launch such stuff, but I can't say that they will succeed. People pay good money for better graphics and something flat that can prosper even on 8-bit colors is not attractive. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Henne Vogelsang

4 Dec 4 Dec

12:38

Hey, On 24.11.2013 01:35, Rajko wrote:

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Flat stuff, or simple graphics, is not in trend.

This couldn't be further from the truth. Flat design is THE design trend in 2013. http://abduzeedo.com/design-trends-2013-flat-and-minimal http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2013/09/03/flat-and-thin-are-in/ https://www.apple.com/ios/ Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Bruno Friedmann

16:59

On Wednesday 04 December 2013 13.38:17 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 24.11.2013 01:35, Rajko wrote:

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Flat stuff, or simple graphics, is not in trend.

This couldn't be further from the truth. Flat design is THE design trend in 2013.

http://abduzeedo.com/design-trends-2013-flat-and-minimal http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2013/09/03/flat-and-thin-are-in/ https://www.apple.com/ios/

Henne

I appreciate the conclusion Before diving into a flat design, make sure it aligns with your target users’ sensibilities and your target platform, devices and application type. Following a trend is pointless if it’s the wrong solution for your project. I agree a 3d rotating geeko especially on a t-shirt :-) Warf I'm done. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko

5 Dec 5 Dec

05:13

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 17:59:31 +0100 Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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Following a trend is pointless if it’s the wrong solution for your project.

Right.

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I agree a 3d rotating geeko especially on a t-shirt :-)

Now to find someone that can do 3D modeling and Blender. :) (many broke tooth or two on this) -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Michael Fox

05:20

On 12/05/2013 04:13 PM, Rajko wrote:

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On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 17:59:31 +0100 Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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Following a trend is pointless if it’s the wrong solution for your project. Right.

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I agree a 3d rotating geeko especially on a t-shirt :-) Now to find someone that can do 3D modeling and Blender. :) (many broke tooth or two on this)

*Throws his hands in the air* -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko

06:08

On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:20:36 +1100 Michael Fox wrote:

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*Throws his hands in the air*

Good, that is one. (and fast at that) Can you make 3D standard logo, so that anyone with some Blender skills can rotate it and take shots. When we are at that, vine in a wallpaper will look much better as a 3D. That was my plan long ago, but time is all I don't have. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Michael Fox

10:02

On 12/05/2013 05:08 PM, Rajko wrote:

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On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:20:36 +1100 Michael Fox wrote:

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*Throws his hands in the air* Good, that is one. (and fast at that)

Can you make 3D standard logo, so that anyone with some Blender skills can rotate it and take shots.

When we are at that, vine in a wallpaper will look much better as a 3D.

That was my plan long ago, but time is all I don't have.

is this enough proof https://vimeo.com/60419298 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

10:18

Le 05/12/2013 11:02, Michael Fox a écrit :

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is this enough proof https://vimeo.com/60419298

http://www.ebay.com/bhp/3d-t-shirt http://www.pondly.com/2011/09/awesome-realistic-3d-animal-t-shirts/ and this one: http://www.sotshirt.com/fr/home/117-t-shirt-lezard-par-the-mountain.html even this: http://www.heartjacking.com/fr/41-t-shirt-equalizer?gclid=CK2-o6ftmLsCFbMctA... jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko

6 Dec 6 Dec

05:51

On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 11:18:25 +0100 jdd wrote:

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http://www.pondly.com/2011/09/awesome-realistic-3d-animal-t-shirts/

and this one:

http://www.sotshirt.com/fr/home/117-t-shirt-lezard-par-the-mountain.html

Awesome 3D simulation. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko

05:32

On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 21:02:46 +1100 Michael Fox wrote:

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is this enough proof https://vimeo.com/60419298

That is proof that you know Blender, and quite good to be honest. What I had in mind is real chameleon - well, not really real, but with some more details than our mascot. What I had as a problem is creating chameleon body. If you can create rough mesh head, body, legs, tail, with skeleton, I can try to sculpt and add texture. Then you can add more skeleton, optimize size, take some pictures, and so on. We should also find some place where anyone can have access to .blend. BTW, I did not look inside .blend, but if it is similar to .svg, ie. mainly text, then we can use github.com. Depending on file size there is few more options, like Dropbox, SpiderOak, Google Drive, etc. Maybe some day art.opensuse.org . -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

ito

9 Dec 9 Dec

06:57

Hi, subscribed a while ago but didn't have anything to add... This might be of interest; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_igp7TyRGnU -eg On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 00:08 -0600, Rajko wrote:

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On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:20:36 +1100 Michael Fox wrote:

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*Throws his hands in the air*

Good, that is one. (and fast at that)

Can you make 3D standard logo, so that anyone with some Blender skills can rotate it and take shots.

When we are at that, vine in a wallpaper will look much better as a 3D.

That was my plan long ago, but time is all I don't have.

-- Regards, Rajko.

-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Michael Fox

08:19

On 12/09/2013 05:57 PM, ito wrote:

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Hi,

subscribed a while ago but didn't have anything to add...

This might be of interest;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_igp7TyRGnU

-eg

On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 00:08 -0600, Rajko wrote:

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On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:20:36 +1100 Michael Fox wrote:

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*Throws his hands in the air* Good, that is one. (and fast at that)

Can you make 3D standard logo, so that anyone with some Blender skills can rotate it and take shots.

When we are at that, vine in a wallpaper will look much better as a 3D.

That was my plan long ago, but time is all I don't have.

-- Regards, Rajko.

did this in ~45mins, just a rough draft but is it generally what is wanted http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=63750 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Bruno Friedmann

08:56

On Monday 09 December 2013 19.19:08 Michael Fox wrote:

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On 12/09/2013 05:57 PM, ito wrote:

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Hi,

subscribed a while ago but didn't have anything to add...

This might be of interest;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_igp7TyRGnU

-eg

On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 00:08 -0600, Rajko wrote:

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On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:20:36 +1100 Michael Fox wrote:

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*Throws his hands in the air* Good, that is one. (and fast at that)

Can you make 3D standard logo, so that anyone with some Blender skills can rotate it and take shots.

When we are at that, vine in a wallpaper will look much better as a 3D.

That was my plan long ago, but time is all I don't have.

did this in ~45mins, just a rough draft but is it generally what is wanted

http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=63750

Okay let's try 2 interpretation. Geeko : How I feel after reading the whole 2016 thread in -project Geeko : Hey dude, I can fly! ;-) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

ito

10:47

On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 09:56 +0100, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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On Monday 09 December 2013 19.19:08 Michael Fox wrote:

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On 12/09/2013 05:57 PM, ito wrote:

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Hi,

subscribed a while ago but didn't have anything to add...

This might be of interest;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_igp7TyRGnU

-eg

On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 00:08 -0600, Rajko wrote:

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On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:20:36 +1100 Michael Fox wrote:

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*Throws his hands in the air* Good, that is one. (and fast at that)

Can you make 3D standard logo, so that anyone with some Blender skills can rotate it and take shots.

When we are at that, vine in a wallpaper will look much better as a 3D.

That was my plan long ago, but time is all I don't have.

did this in ~45mins, just a rough draft but is it generally what is wanted

http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=63750

Okay let's try 2 interpretation. Geeko : How I feel after reading the whole 2016 thread in -project Geeko : Hey dude, I can fly!

;-)

------------- "When we are at that, vine in a wallpaper will look much better as a 3D. That was my plan long ago, but time is all I don't have. -- Regards, Rajko." ---------------- Rajko mentioned that a 3-D vine would be good, that came to mind. :o -eg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Michael Fox

19 Dec 19 Dec

10:26

H i All, I havn't forgotten the geeko character, i have just been building the rig and not have much time these days, however i will have 3 weeks holidays so i will get alot more done. http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=64209 what is left is the leg deformation and some face controls, but i think the head can do with alot more work :S On 12/09/2013 09:47 PM, ito wrote:

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On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 09:56 +0100, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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On Monday 09 December 2013 19.19:08 Michael Fox wrote:

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On 12/09/2013 05:57 PM, ito wrote:

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Hi,

subscribed a while ago but didn't have anything to add...

This might be of interest;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_igp7TyRGnU

-eg

On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 00:08 -0600, Rajko wrote:

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On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:20:36 +1100 Michael Fox wrote:

...
*Throws his hands in the air* Good, that is one. (and fast at that)

Can you make 3D standard logo, so that anyone with some Blender skills can rotate it and take shots.

When we are at that, vine in a wallpaper will look much better as a 3D.

That was my plan long ago, but time is all I don't have.

did this in ~45mins, just a rough draft but is it generally what is wanted

http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=63750

Okay let's try 2 interpretation. Geeko : How I feel after reading the whole 2016 thread in -project Geeko : Hey dude, I can fly!

;-)

------------- "When we are at that, vine in a wallpaper will look much better as a 3D. That was my plan long ago, but time is all I don't have.

-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Andres Silva

16:44

Michael Fox wrote:

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H i All, I havn't forgotten the geeko character, i have just been building the rig and not have much time these days, however i will have 3 weeks holidays so i will get alot more done.

http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=64209

what is left is the leg deformation and some face controls, but i think the head can do with alot more work :S

On 12/09/2013 09:47 PM, ito wrote:

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On Mon, 2013-12-09 at 09:56 +0100, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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On Monday 09 December 2013 19.19:08 Michael Fox wrote:

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On 12/09/2013 05:57 PM, ito wrote:

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Hi,

subscribed a while ago but didn't have anything to add...

This might be of interest;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_igp7TyRGnU

-eg

On Thu, 2013-12-05 at 00:08 -0600, Rajko wrote:

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On Thu, 05 Dec 2013 16:20:36 +1100 Michael Fox wrote:

> *Throws his hands in the air* Good, that is one. (and fast at that)

Can you make 3D standard logo, so that anyone with some Blender skills can rotate it and take shots.

When we are at that, vine in a wallpaper will look much better as a 3D.

That was my plan long ago, but time is all I don't have.

did this in ~45mins, just a rough draft but is it generally what is wanted

http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=63750

Okay let's try 2 interpretation. Geeko : How I feel after reading the whole 2016 thread in -project Geeko : Hey dude, I can fly!

;-)

------------- "When we are at that, vine in a wallpaper will look much better as a 3D. That was my plan long ago, but time is all I don't have.

Thanks Mike! Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko

20 Dec 20 Dec

04:18

On Thu, 19 Dec 2013 21:26:54 +1100 Michael Fox wrote:

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http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=64209

what is left is the leg deformation and some face controls, but i think the head can do with alot more work :S

Looks good. (Can you share a toy, for Blender newbies.) :) -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

jdd

9 Dec 9 Dec

09:07

Le 09/12/2013 09:19, Michael Fox a écrit :

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did this in ~45mins, just a rough draft but is it generally what is wanted

http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=63750

I *like* it! flying lizard? jdd -- http://www.dodin.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko

5 Dec 5 Dec

05:11

On Wed, 04 Dec 2013 13:38:17 +0100 Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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This couldn't be further from the truth. Flat design is THE design trend in 2013.

http://abduzeedo.com/design-trends-2013-flat-and-minimal

Flat background for photo, 3D, or text. The goal is not to steal the thunder from main content.

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http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2013/09/03/flat-and-thin-are-in/

Appears as Win/iXyz magazine, but it maintains the same - don't steal the thunder from main content.

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https://www.apple.com/ios/

Should I click on that link too? :D Keeping decorations in a background is important, but that is not that new. Bento was designed with that intention. That we managed to add few lines here and there is not entirely Robert's fault, it is what we did and we do. (not that we should, though) At the time he designed Bento theme, rounded corners were in trend, but even at that time lines were considered visual noise, and are absent from his examples how to use theme. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Marguerite Su

24 Nov 24 Nov

02:09

Hi, Andy On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Andres Silva wrote:

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- Change default font (KDE and Gnome) to Open Sans (a great and very complete font family very readable)

You don't need to worry about fonts for other locales like Chinese. Fontconfig has a mechanism, if some chars is missing from the English font, Chinese font will complete that.

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- Finish complementary wallpaper collection package

And I think we can also _develop_ a standard about how to "invite" well-known FOSS artists to join our contest (eg: http://www.vladstudio.com/, he joined Ubuntu wallpaper contest everytime), and how to "politely ask for use" of those wallpapers on deviantart.com (Many DA artists are not foreign to Linux, they use Linux actually)...it can save us a lot of efforts and improve our quality(of course not for default wallpaper, we have to create it by ourselves). I asked for a wallpaper for Cinnamon flavor on openSUSE, and I had some experience...if agreed, I can start a draft on en.opensuse.org/Portal:Artwork

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- Start the creation (integration if time permits) of a “light” version of the KDE plasma theme - Create a matching dark version of a Gnome Shell theme somewhat matching KDE’s dark plasma theme (will have to investigate this one and learn it)

What about this? https://plus.google.com/116748899362823170100/posts/72mfyQQDoGT Some user shared it a few days ago on our G+ community. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Andres Silva

02:18

On Nov 23, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Marguerite Su wrote:

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Hi, Andy

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Andres Silva wrote:

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- Change default font (KDE and Gnome) to Open Sans (a great and very complete font family very readable)

You don't need to worry about fonts for other locales like Chinese.

Fontconfig has a mechanism, if some chars is missing from the English font, Chinese font will complete that.

Wonderful, I was worried for a moment.

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- Finish complementary wallpaper collection package

And I think we can also _develop_ a standard about how to "invite" well-known FOSS artists to join our contest (eg: http://www.vladstudio.com/, he joined Ubuntu wallpaper contest everytime), and how to "politely ask for use" of those wallpapers on deviantart.com (Many DA artists are not foreign to Linux, they use Linux actually)...it can save us a lot of efforts and improve our quality(of course not for default wallpaper, we have to create it by ourselves).

I asked for a wallpaper for Cinnamon flavor on openSUSE, and I had some experience...if agreed, I can start a draft on en.opensuse.org/Portal:Artwork

That is a great idea. We would have to make sure we create a DA user for openSUSE then. Is there any way that our Flickr page can be used for this as well? We have been gathering wallpapers for an alternative collection there. I have myself contacted artists on DA for openSUSE but never got good responses. Expansion requires responsibility, so if we go with the DA page for gathering artwork, we will need a contributor to manage it. I currently, along with other team members, take care of openSUSE Flickr. Would you like to work on a DA page?

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- Start the creation (integration if time permits) of a “light” version of the KDE plasma theme - Create a matching dark version of a Gnome Shell theme somewhat matching KDE’s dark plasma theme (will have to investigate this one and learn it)

What about this?

https://plus.google.com/116748899362823170100/posts/72mfyQQDoGT

Some user shared it a few days ago on our G+ community.

That theme looks amazing! I think we could ask this user to share it with the community! That way we would not have to create a new Gnome Shell theme. We could just use his version. Thank you for checking into this Marguerite!!! Andy (anditosan)-- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Marguerite Su

25 Nov 25 Nov

18:02

Hi, Andy, On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Andres Silva wrote:

...

That is a great idea. We would have to make sure we create a DA user for openSUSE then. Is there any way that our Flickr page can be used for this as well? We have been gathering wallpapers for an alternative collection there. I have myself contacted artists on DA for openSUSE but never got good responses. Expansion requires responsibility, so if we go with the DA page for gathering artwork, we will need a contributor to manage it. I currently, along with other team members, take care of openSUSE Flickr. Would you like to work on a DA page?

Sorry, I was busy painting my house :-) 1. I think we just need a "group" like +openSUSE-Artists for user content submission. The usage of an official "openSUSE" user is actually quite limited. Actually those DA users trust me just because I uploaded my artworks and proved I'm as good as them...so I think personal contact with aid of an official document on an official public place may help more, because DA is anyway a place for artists to communite instead of some organization to find suitable materials. PS: I encourage everyone of us to open your own DA page for a backup and show yourself. 2. Yes, the principle to be developed can be used in any case about external resources. I think we can even use it on G+, there're also lots of photography circles out there. 3. Well...maybe you need to upload some of your great artwork, make them believe you're openSUSE artist, and +1 for them first :-) BTW not every artist on DA are Linux focused, so they may be not interested in open source at all. We need to focus on artists in some Linux group first. 4. I think, not "a contributor" but everyone of us who saw beautiful artworks, because we don't want our official DA become a personal taste, right? And a few moderators to manage the DA club. Anyway it's just a supplemental resource, we can do that on spare time, right? (DA is also a good place for us to find hints)

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https://plus.google.com/116748899362823170100/posts/72mfyQQDoGT

Some user shared it a few days ago on our G+ community.

That theme looks amazing! I think we could ask this user to share it with the community! That way we would not have to create a new Gnome Shell theme. We could just use his version.

Haha! he has already shared the source. I reviewed it, they're good images with svg format so we can do anything about it :-) Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Michal Hrusecky

24 Nov 24 Nov

09:37

Marguerite Su - 10:09 24.11.13 wrote:

...

Hi, Andy

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Andres Silva wrote:

...
- Change default font (KDE and Gnome) to Open Sans (a great and very complete font family very readable)

You don't need to worry about fonts for other locales like Chinese.

Fontconfig has a mechanism, if some chars is missing from the English font, Chinese font will complete that.

That works, but the problem is, if it misses only few characters (think languages like Czech where we use mostly latin, but we do have few special characters like řěž). If you use font that doesn't have these, you have perfectly nice text with few characters used from different font with (sometimes completely) different style. And that looks utterly ugly even to people who don't care about how font looks like. -- Michal Hrusecky -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Michal Hrusecky

09:41

Michal Hrusecky - 10:37 24.11.13 wrote:

...

Marguerite Su - 10:09 24.11.13 wrote:

...
Hi, Andy

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Andres Silva wrote:

...
- Change default font (KDE and Gnome) to Open Sans (a great and very complete font family very readable)

You don't need to worry about fonts for other locales like Chinese.

Fontconfig has a mechanism, if some chars is missing from the English font, Chinese font will complete that.

That works, but the problem is, if it misses only few characters (think languages like Czech where we use mostly latin, but we do have few special characters like řěž). If you use font that doesn't have these, you have perfectly nice text with few characters used from different font with (sometimes completely) different style. And that looks utterly ugly even to people who don't care about how font looks like.

Found example on the web for font that misses Czech characters: http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/images/kodovani/wininpseudofont.gif -- Michal Hrusecky -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Andres Silva

16:03

On Nov 24, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Michal Hrusecky wrote:

...

Michal Hrusecky - 10:37 24.11.13 wrote:

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Marguerite Su - 10:09 24.11.13 wrote:

...
Hi, Andy

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Andres Silva wrote:

...
- Change default font (KDE and Gnome) to Open Sans (a great and very complete font family very readable)

You don't need to worry about fonts for other locales like Chinese.

Fontconfig has a mechanism, if some chars is missing from the English font, Chinese font will complete that.

That works, but the problem is, if it misses only few characters (think languages like Czech where we use mostly latin, but we do have few special characters like řěž). If you use font that doesn't have these, you have perfectly nice text with few characters used from different font with (sometimes completely) different style. And that looks utterly ugly even to people who don't care about how font looks like.

Found example on the web for font that misses Czech characters:

http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/images/kodovani/wininpseudofont.gif

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Can you test it? Install open sans on your machine and use Czech for the language. Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Michal Hrusecky

19:17

Andres Silva - 9:03 24.11.13 wrote:

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On Nov 24, 2013, at 2:41 AM, Michal Hrusecky wrote:

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Michal Hrusecky - 10:37 24.11.13 wrote:

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Marguerite Su - 10:09 24.11.13 wrote:

...
Hi, Andy

On Sat, Nov 23, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Andres Silva wrote:

...
- Change default font (KDE and Gnome) to Open Sans (a great and very complete font family very readable)

You don't need to worry about fonts for other locales like Chinese.

Fontconfig has a mechanism, if some chars is missing from the English font, Chinese font will complete that.

That works, but the problem is, if it misses only few characters (think languages like Czech where we use mostly latin, but we do have few special characters like řěž). If you use font that doesn't have these, you have perfectly nice text with few characters used from different font with (sometimes completely) different style. And that looks utterly ugly even to people who don't care about how font looks like.

Found example on the web for font that misses Czech characters:

http://www.jakpsatweb.cz/images/kodovani/wininpseudofont.gif

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Can you test it? Install open sans on your machine and use Czech for the language.

Well, I meant it as a general comment that fontconfig doesn't save everything automatically. Just tested Open Sans and looks Ok for Czech. -- Michal Hrusecky -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Marguerite Su

25 Nov 25 Nov

18:06

On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Michal Hrusecky wrote:

...

That works, but the problem is, if it misses only few characters (think languages like Czech where we use mostly latin, but we do have few special characters like řěž). If you use font that doesn't have these, you have perfectly nice text with few characters used from different font with (sometimes completely) different style. And that looks utterly ugly even to people who don't care about how font looks like.

Yes, Open Sans does have this problem with some locales which use _most_ of English chars but with some variants. I think if Open Sans is open source, we can try to patch them with those missing characters. They're not that much, at least not that much as our own fifthleg font :-) I can try to find a way out. Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

James Mason

16:15

>>> On 11/23/2013 at 07:57 AM,  wrote: 
- Revamp vine wallpaper (Make a new version but keeping the same vine idea 
> from 12.3 and 13.1)

+1. The 'grow with us' theme is working for us.

> - Change default font (KDE and Gnome) to Open Sans (a great and very complete 
> font family very readable)

I'm partial to Cantarell myself, and it keeps getting better on each release. I'm using Open Sans in Groupwise right now, because its sad old version of Java can't detect OTF fonts and I'm *not happy* with it in comparison.

> - Add “New” vine wallpaper to alternative desktops

+1

> - Finish complementary wallpaper collection package

+1

> - Start the creation (integration if time permits) of a “light” version of 
> the KDE plasma theme

Isn't that the default upstream? http://kde.org/workspaces/plasmadesktop/screenshots/general-desktop.png

> - Create a matching dark version of a Gnome Shell theme somewhat matching 
> KDE’s dark plasma theme (will have to investigate this one and learn it)

I don't get this one; gnome-shell is natively black, with neutral window decorations, which is the closes our KDE & GNOME experiences have ever been. If you mean to darken all the window decorations by default, I *strongly* disagree.  If you want to offer a dark option... it's already there, since GNOME 3.4: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/63389/how-can-i-use-adwaita-dark-for-all-applications-gnome-3-4

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Andy anditosan

17:17

On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 9:15 AM, James Mason  wrote:
>>>> On 11/23/2013 at 07:57 AM,  wrote:
> - Revamp vine wallpaper (Make a new version but keeping the same vine idea
>> from 12.3 and 13.1)
>
> +1. The 'grow with us' theme is working for us.
>
>> - Change default font (KDE and Gnome) to Open Sans (a great and very complete
>> font family very readable)
>
> I'm partial to Cantarell myself, and it keeps getting better on each release. I'm using Open Sans in Groupwise right now, because its sad old version of Java can't detect OTF fonts and I'm *not happy* with it in comparison.
>
>> - Add “New” vine wallpaper to alternative desktops
>
> +1
>
>> - Finish complementary wallpaper collection package
>
> +1
>
>> - Start the creation (integration if time permits) of a “light” version of
>> the KDE plasma theme
>
> Isn't that the default upstream? http://kde.org/workspaces/plasmadesktop/screenshots/general-desktop.png

I meant a "light" version of the grow (dark) plasma theme developed by shumski

>
>> - Create a matching dark version of a Gnome Shell theme somewhat matching
>> KDE’s dark plasma theme (will have to investigate this one and learn it)
>
> I don't get this one; gnome-shell is natively black, with neutral window decorations, which is the closes our KDE & GNOME experiences have ever been. If you mean to darken all the window decorations by default, I *strongly* disagree.  If you want to offer a dark option... it's already there, since GNOME 3.4: http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/63389/how-can-i-use-adwaita-dark-for-all-applications-gnome-3-4

I believe you might be talking about the shell theme as well as the
widow themes. I am only referring to the plasma theme and the gnome
shell theme written on css. Maybe I am not explaining this ver
technically, but this is not something that deals with the windows
themselves and their color. Only plasma theme and gnome shell theme,

The Gnome is simply black, no transparencies, no branding colors.
Marguerite suggested talking to this creator
https://plus.google.com/116748899362823170100/posts/72mfyQQDoGT
and asking for his work as contribution for gnome shell.

>
>
>
>
> James Mason
> SUSE Studio Developer
> openSUSE Member
> 2925 Roeder Ave, Suite 300
> Bellingham, WA 98225  USA
> +1 (360) 752-6707
> james.mason@suse.com
> SUSE
>



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Marguerite Su

18:20

Hi, guys, As I know, there're at least two types of decoration in GNOME: 1. gtk3 theme 2. GNOME shell theme The first is very hard to maintain, we have some failure cases already. eg: Sonar, and the one Frederic made for mandriva. It's some kinda "low level", need to change with GNOME for every release, and needs an KDE alternative to make those applications look the same. So our GNOME developers are strongly against to create such a buggy theme instead of using upstream's. But the second is quite easy to maintain, it's just an CSS file and some svg images which actually can be ported eveywhere...it's not harder than maintaining a CSS file with chromium (webkit) development. Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Jos Poortvliet

8 Dec 8 Dec

21:10

On Tuesday 26 November 2013 02:20:01 Marguerite Su wrote:

...

Hi, guys,

As I know, there're at least two types of decoration in GNOME:

1. gtk3 theme 2. GNOME shell theme

The first is very hard to maintain, we have some failure cases already. eg: Sonar, and the one Frederic made for mandriva. It's some kinda "low level", need to change with GNOME for every release, and needs an KDE alternative to make those applications look the same. So our GNOME developers are strongly against to create such a buggy theme instead of using upstream's.

But the second is quite easy to maintain, it's just an CSS file and some svg images which actually can be ported eveywhere...it's not harder than maintaining a CSS file with chromium (webkit) development.

Perhaps we should use Oxygen-gtk in GNOME, as that would take away most of the visual differences with KDE... And it's a beautiful theme, imho miles better than the default currently in GNOME.

...

Marguerite

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Andres Silva

3 Jan 3 Jan

18:03

New subject: [opensuse-artwork] Re: 13.2 Artwork Features Proposal - Update

Andres Silva wrote:

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Hey everyone!

Now that 13.1 is out of the oven, happy release everyone!

I wanted to propose some changes for 13.2. Since the dark theme created by our contributors has gained some good popularity among the community and reviewers, I think it is not too far fetched to propose to “keep” this dark theme for upcoming versions of openSUSE. I would say at least through the 13 series and only make a major change to it from version 14 on. This would give us a really long tome to mature the theme even further, theme other elements of the distribution that need it and keep consistency with our users.

Here is a tentative list of what changes we could help make for version 13.2

- Revamp vine wallpaper (Make a new version but keeping the same vine idea from 12.3 and 13.1) Still waiting for proposals

...

- Change default font (KDE and Gnome) to Open Sans (a great and very complete font family very readable) Initial contacts on this but nothing concrete yet

...

- Add “New” vine wallpaper to alternative desktops - Finish complementary wallpaper collection package Done, sources are on git

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- Start the creation (integration if time permits) of a “light” version of the KDE plasma theme I asked shumski for his dark plasma theme version and realized that the work of turning a theme around in KDE is a pain. Everything is disjointed and need to basically start a new theme all around. I made a plasma theme long ago and it needs maintenance. What do you think we use an option like this (first one is not mine)

http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/?content=148314 Or http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/anditosan/Desktop2_006.png Rather than start a new theme.

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- Create a matching dark version of a Gnome Shell theme somewhat matching KDE’s dark plasma theme (will have to investigate this one and learn it)

Marguerite is currently porting a gnome3 theme for this

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Reasons

It is always a good question to ask why the changes are being proposed. I would say, these changes push a little forward into making openSUSE extra singular and also look similar, by default, across different desktop flavors.

I invite our group to make suggestions and set ourselves goals for 13.2.

Thank you!

Andy (anditosan)

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