Sure thing! http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01072014-094843.php http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01072014-094953.php Quoting Uzair Shamim :

On Tuesday, July 01, 2014 07:35:24 AM Nenad Latinović wrote:

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Hey guys, I've tried modding the greybird theme for Xfce. I'd appreciate it if someone would try it out (try it with Faenza-Mint icons) and see how it looks on your Xfce machine. It would actually be a very small to uniforming the look (approximately) across DE's.

Here's the link: https://ssl.eumx.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=cfcdd6ebd343286f416 212a738a72ce8

I'd appreciate some feedback.

Regards,

Could you share some screenshots? I don't use xfce but I would like to see the theme :)

-- Regards,

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Hey. I already cc'd the only member of the openSUSE Xfce team, but i will also post the discussion there, sure thing. Now, this is a Greybird theme from the shimmerproject originaly. What's good with them is that they also have a whisker menu theme. So anyway, there shouldn't be any license issues (I'm not really good with legal terms...). Quoting Marcus Moeller :

Dear Nenad,

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http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01072014-094843.php http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-01072014-094953.php

Thanks for your work. It already looks great. Maybe the Application Menu icon could be improved a bit.

Please keep in mind, that changes on Xfce should also be discussed on the opensuse-xfce mailinglist (low traffic).

Greets Marcus

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On Tuesday, July 01, 2014 07:35:24 AM Nenad Latinović wrote:

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Hey guys, I've tried modding the greybird theme for Xfce. I'd appreciate it if someone would try it out (try it with Faenza-Mint icons) and see how it looks on your Xfce machine. It would actually be a very small to uniforming the look (approximately) across DE's.

Here's the link: https://ssl.eumx.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=cfcdd6ebd343286f416

212a738a72ce8

I'd appreciate some feedback.

Regards,

Could you share some screenshots? I don't use xfce but I would like to see the theme :)

-- Regards,

Uzair Shamim

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Dear Guido, Am Tue Jul 01 2014 16:40:23 GMT+0200 (CEST) schrieb Guido Berhoerster:

* Nenad Latinović [2014-07-01 09:35]:

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Hey guys, I've tried modding the greybird theme for Xfce. I'd appreciate it if someone would try it out (try it with Faenza-Mint icons) and see how it looks on your Xfce machine. It would actually be a very small to uniforming the look (approximately) across DE's.

Here's the link: https://ssl.eumx.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=cfcdd6ebd343286f416212a738a72ce8

I'd appreciate some feedback.

IMHO it looks mostly OK but lacks distinction from Mint Xfce/Xubuntu, see e.g. http://www.linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/nadia/xfce_software.png The color palette used for openSUSE branding has also changed recently, see http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-artwork/2014-06/msg00074.html I think the Faenza icon theme does not integrate well with unthemed icons and is very poor usability-wise because the icons have no distinct shapes and are all square . I'd strongly suggest a default theme that at least roughly follows the Tango guidelines.

* Nenad Latinović [2014-06-30 17:48]:

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Hey guys. Just recently I've started my Xfce adventure. What I want to know is if anyone is doing some beautifying of the default Xfce experience maybe?

No, not that I'm aware of, I'm currently the only one maintaining the current theme/branding/look-n-feel. If you and others would like to look into improving the GTK looks it is ceratainly appreciated.

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And, how would it go if we make a mod of an existing gtk theme (f.ex. Greybird, or Zukitwo...)as a default openSUSE theme? Is that doable, or are there some other restrictions?

It is doable, the main restriction is the available manpower to maintain it (and the reason why Xfce and (as I understand it) GNOME stick to Adwaita). More specifically, GTK theming is a bit difficult for two reasons. Firstly, we need a theme that is consistent across GTK 2 (Xfce applications and major desktop-independent applications like Gimp, Firefox, etc.) and 3 (GNOME) and secondly GTK 3 has no stable API for theme authors, that is it leaks internal implementation details into the CSS API and these implementation details change between minor releases with basically no documentation. So a GTK 3 theme requires an ongoing maintenance effort and I am actually not aware of any combined GTK 2/3 theme besides the official Adwaita and Greybird with a track record of solid maintenance. Unfortunately, most themes seem to pop up for one or two GTK 3 versions and are then abandoned by its authors, e.g. the Sonar port to GTK3 or Clearlooks Phenix. This is in no way meant to discourage you or

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Hey Guido and the rest of the team. Sorry I haven't answered, I had a tough exam today, so i wasn't around too much these past few days. So, I have a few questions and statements regarding it. - When you say application updates, do you mean from release to release (Isn't it like that, that apps don't upgrade, unless you do it manually yourself?) - That's why I've been thinking about a theme that has serious longevity, for example greybird. Adwaita is even better (the gtk theme looks better than greybird imho), but we would need an xfwm theme to play nicely visually. For this portion, if we would go for Adwaita, I could 'hack' it (as I've already done while using Gnome). I mean, don't get me wrong, i'm not a designer, but i learned how to gimp the check radios and such into appropriate green and change them. - As for the current shade of green in the greybird mod i posted, i used the one that seemed to fit nicely with Faenza Mint. - And now when we're already at icons, what do you think about using maybe elementary-xfce, because it's the only xfce-centric theme i know, and most 'tangoesque' i know. Also there, what we would need is someone greening up the default folders. The rest could be left as-is, imho, as it's in many colors (depending on the apps). I was thinking about doing it the other day, but i've seen they're all .svg, and i'm not really good with inkscape. Maybe someone else reading this could give it a try? Any other suggestions, thoughts on your part? BTW, thanks for taking your time to answer, i know you must be quite busy. Hope to hear from you guys soon. Regards, Quoting Guido Berhoerster :

* marcus.moeller@gmx.ch [2014-07-01 17:04]:

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Dear Guido, Afaik Clearlooks Phenix is still actively maintained.

The last upstream version is for GTK 3.6 http://www.jpfleury.net/en/software/clearlooks-phenix.php I packaged it in X11:xfce because I initially thought about adpating it with an openSUSE color scheme but it turned out as just another dead GTK theme :( We also still have gtk3-metatheme-sonar in Factory but it is for GTK 3.2 and would need some serious work as well. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

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Thanks for your answer, Guido. Sure thing. I'll post on gnome list too. A few clearer points also: -If our colorizing version of Adwaita would need mostly changing the color codes and changing checks and radios, I could do it. No prob's. -When i meant xfce-sque, i meant that elementary-xfce icons are made specifically for Xfce, with some Xfce-specific apps people rarely use (I don't know, gmusicbrowser and quodlibet come to mind first). I'll look into Inkscape. -Great about Xfwm, that's one less thing to outsource. Thanks again. Quoting Guido Berhoerster :

* Nenad Latinović [2014-07-02 18:29]:

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Hey Guido and the rest of the team.

Sorry I haven't answered, I had a tough exam today, so i wasn't around too much these past few days.

So, I have a few questions and statements regarding it. - When you say application updates, do you mean from release to release (Isn't it like that, that apps don't upgrade, unless you do it manually yourself?)

I was talking about the GTK package, e.g. in a few months GTK 3.14.0 will be released, the openSUSE maintainers update the package and submit it to Factory which then likely breaks any third-party theme. So if we use a new default theme the (or better a few) maintainers of that theme need to stay on top of things, follow GTK3 releases and fix things up in a timely fashion. That is work which so far nobody stepped up to do and the main reason why GNOME and Xfce have sticked to the default theme.

...

- That's why I've been thinking about a theme that has serious longevity, for example greybird. Adwaita is even better (the gtk theme

I think maintaining a variation of Adwaita that changes the blue colors to the greenish tones from the new branding color scheme[*] might be a viable approach.

* http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-artwork/2014-06/msg00074.html

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looks better than greybird imho), but we would need an xfwm theme to play nicely visually. For this portion, if we would go for Adwaita, I could 'hack' it (as I've already done while using Gnome). I mean,

I've created the current default xfwm theme "Kelabu" that is used with Adwaita, so I might be able to help creating a suitable xfwm theme.

...

- As for the current shade of green in the greybird mod i posted, i used the one that seemed to fit nicely with Faenza Mint. - And now when we're already at icons, what do you think about using maybe elementary-xfce, because it's the only xfce-centric theme i know, and most 'tangoesque' i know. Also there, what we would need is someone greening up the default folders. The rest could be left as-is, imho, as it's in many colors (depending on the apps). I was thinking

Actually there is no need for an "Xfce-centric theme", the current default icon theme provides a handful of Tango-ish icons specific to Xfce and inherits the rest from the gnome icon theme. So you could just create a new theme consisting only of the recolored folder icons and the icons in the openSUSE-Xfce icon theme and inherit all the rest from gnome (or a gnome-compatible theme).

...

about doing it the other day, but i've seen they're all .svg, and i'm not really good with inkscape. Maybe someone else reading this could give it a try?

Any other suggestions, thoughts on your part?

Maybe you could reach out to the GNOME team on the opensuse-gnome@ list? There are more GNOME than Xfce users and package maintainers so if we can combine the effort for a common GTK branding we might be able to get some more people involved. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

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Guido, here's a link to a modified Adwaita I made. I'd be grateful if you check it out. https://ssl.eumx.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=0b3ca310cd27283828f55b408525b3ff Regards, Quoting Nenad Latinović :

Thanks for your answer, Guido.

Sure thing. I'll post on gnome list too.

A few clearer points also:

-If our colorizing version of Adwaita would need mostly changing the color codes and changing checks and radios, I could do it. No prob's. -When i meant xfce-sque, i meant that elementary-xfce icons are made specifically for Xfce, with some Xfce-specific apps people rarely use (I don't know, gmusicbrowser and quodlibet come to mind first). I'll look into Inkscape. -Great about Xfwm, that's one less thing to outsource.

Thanks again.

Quoting Guido Berhoerster :

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* Nenad Latinović [2014-07-02 18:29]:

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Hey Guido and the rest of the team.

Sorry I haven't answered, I had a tough exam today, so i wasn't around too much these past few days.

So, I have a few questions and statements regarding it. - When you say application updates, do you mean from release to release (Isn't it like that, that apps don't upgrade, unless you do it manually yourself?)

I was talking about the GTK package, e.g. in a few months GTK 3.14.0 will be released, the openSUSE maintainers update the package and submit it to Factory which then likely breaks any third-party theme. So if we use a new default theme the (or better a few) maintainers of that theme need to stay on top of things, follow GTK3 releases and fix things up in a timely fashion. That is work which so far nobody stepped up to do and the main reason why GNOME and Xfce have sticked to the default theme.

...

- That's why I've been thinking about a theme that has serious longevity, for example greybird. Adwaita is even better (the gtk theme

I think maintaining a variation of Adwaita that changes the blue colors to the greenish tones from the new branding color scheme[*] might be a viable approach.

* http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-artwork/2014-06/msg00074.html

...

looks better than greybird imho), but we would need an xfwm theme to play nicely visually. For this portion, if we would go for Adwaita, I could 'hack' it (as I've already done while using Gnome). I mean,

I've created the current default xfwm theme "Kelabu" that is used with Adwaita, so I might be able to help creating a suitable xfwm theme.

...

- As for the current shade of green in the greybird mod i posted, i used the one that seemed to fit nicely with Faenza Mint. - And now when we're already at icons, what do you think about using maybe elementary-xfce, because it's the only xfce-centric theme i know, and most 'tangoesque' i know. Also there, what we would need is someone greening up the default folders. The rest could be left as-is, imho, as it's in many colors (depending on the apps). I was thinking

Actually there is no need for an "Xfce-centric theme", the current default icon theme provides a handful of Tango-ish icons specific to Xfce and inherits the rest from the gnome icon theme. So you could just create a new theme consisting only of the recolored folder icons and the icons in the openSUSE-Xfce icon theme and inherit all the rest from gnome (or a gnome-compatible theme).

...

about doing it the other day, but i've seen they're all .svg, and i'm not really good with inkscape. Maybe someone else reading this could give it a try?

Any other suggestions, thoughts on your part?

Maybe you could reach out to the GNOME team on the opensuse-gnome@ list? There are more GNOME than Xfce users and package maintainers so if we can combine the effort for a common GTK branding we might be able to get some more people involved. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

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Sure thing, here you go: http://paste.opensuse.org/61171817 http://paste.opensuse.org/78080236 Regards, Quoting Bob Martens :

Any chance we can get a screenshot?

Sincerely, Bob Martens

http://bobmartens.net @boblmartens

On Jul 8, 2014, at 5:24 AM, Nenad Latinović wrote:

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Guido, here's a link to a modified Adwaita I made. I'd be grateful if you check it out.

https://ssl.eumx.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=0b3ca310cd27283828f55b408525b3ff

Regards, Quoting Nenad Latinović :

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Thanks for your answer, Guido.

Sure thing. I'll post on gnome list too.

A few clearer points also:

-If our colorizing version of Adwaita would need mostly changing the color codes and changing checks and radios, I could do it. No prob's. -When i meant xfce-sque, i meant that elementary-xfce icons are made specifically for Xfce, with some Xfce-specific apps people rarely use (I don't know, gmusicbrowser and quodlibet come to mind first). I'll look into Inkscape. -Great about Xfwm, that's one less thing to outsource.

Thanks again.

Quoting Guido Berhoerster :

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* Nenad Latinović [2014-07-02 18:29]:

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Hey Guido and the rest of the team.

Sorry I haven't answered, I had a tough exam today, so i wasn't around too much these past few days.

So, I have a few questions and statements regarding it. - When you say application updates, do you mean from release to release (Isn't it like that, that apps don't upgrade, unless you do it manually yourself?)

I was talking about the GTK package, e.g. in a few months GTK 3.14.0 will be released, the openSUSE maintainers update the package and submit it to Factory which then likely breaks any third-party theme. So if we use a new default theme the (or better a few) maintainers of that theme need to stay on top of things, follow GTK3 releases and fix things up in a timely fashion. That is work which so far nobody stepped up to do and the main reason why GNOME and Xfce have sticked to the default theme.

...

- That's why I've been thinking about a theme that has serious longevity, for example greybird. Adwaita is even better (the gtk theme

I think maintaining a variation of Adwaita that changes the blue colors to the greenish tones from the new branding color scheme[*] might be a viable approach.

* http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-artwork/2014-06/msg00074.html

...

looks better than greybird imho), but we would need an xfwm theme to play nicely visually. For this portion, if we would go for Adwaita, I could 'hack' it (as I've already done while using Gnome). I mean,

I've created the current default xfwm theme "Kelabu" that is used with Adwaita, so I might be able to help creating a suitable xfwm theme.

...

- As for the current shade of green in the greybird mod i posted, i used the one that seemed to fit nicely with Faenza Mint. - And now when we're already at icons, what do you think about using maybe elementary-xfce, because it's the only xfce-centric theme i know, and most 'tangoesque' i know. Also there, what we would need is someone greening up the default folders. The rest could be left as-is, imho, as it's in many colors (depending on the apps). I was thinking

Actually there is no need for an "Xfce-centric theme", the current default icon theme provides a handful of Tango-ish icons specific to Xfce and inherits the rest from the gnome icon theme. So you could just create a new theme consisting only of the recolored folder icons and the icons in the openSUSE-Xfce icon theme and inherit all the rest from gnome (or a gnome-compatible theme).

...

about doing it the other day, but i've seen they're all .svg, and i'm not really good with inkscape. Maybe someone else reading this could give it a try?

Any other suggestions, thoughts on your part?

Maybe you could reach out to the GNOME team on the opensuse-gnome@ list? There are more GNOME than Xfce users and package maintainers so if we can combine the effort for a common GTK branding we might be able to get some more people involved. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

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* Nenad Latinović [2014-07-08 12:24]:

Guido, here's a link to a modified Adwaita I made. I'd be grateful if you check it out.

https://ssl.eumx.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=0b3ca310cd27283828f55b408525b3ff

Thanks, I think it looks quite good, can you post the icon theme as well? I've noted two issues, the dark theme doesn't work, i.e. there appears to be no CSS styling at all, and I find the contrast of white on green text in focused elements a bit low (see http://susepaste.org/90011322), maybe it could be a slight bit darker. The contrast of grey text on the new header bars is also seems bit low, not sure what the best solution for that is. Not sure if you've seen it, Adwaita recently got integrated into GTK itself, you can track its changes at https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/gtk/resources/theme/Adwaita now. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Me again. Guido, any pointers how i could work on the dark theme? Where could i get it? (for gtk 3.10 i mean, so i can practice...) Quoting Guido Berhoerster :

* Nenad Latinović [2014-07-08 12:24]:

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Guido, here's a link to a modified Adwaita I made. I'd be grateful if you check it out.

https://ssl.eumx.net/owncloud/public.php?service=files&t=0b3ca310cd27283828f55b408525b3ff

Thanks, I think it looks quite good, can you post the icon theme as well? I've noted two issues, the dark theme doesn't work, i.e. there appears to be no CSS styling at all, and I find the contrast of white on green text in focused elements a bit low (see http://susepaste.org/90011322), maybe it could be a slight bit darker. The contrast of grey text on the new header bars is also seems bit low, not sure what the best solution for that is. Not sure if you've seen it, Adwaita recently got integrated into GTK itself, you can track its changes at https://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk+/log/gtk/resources/theme/Adwaita now. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

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Hi. I've been working to make Adwaita the default theme for LXDE for some time now. Any customizations it receives would be beneficial for LXDE. I have done an Openbox theme and a theme for the panel that matches Adwaita style. You can see screenshots here: - Light panel version: http://susepaste.org/45847968 - Dark panel version: http://susepaste.org/18096996 In the end all gtk desktops may end using the same theme. Greetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

El Miércoles, 2 de julio de 2014 20:31:59 Marcus Moeller escribió:

Hi.

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I've been working to make Adwaita the default theme for LXDE for some time now. Any customizations it receives would be beneficial for LXDE. I have done an Openbox theme and a theme for the panel that matches Adwaita style.

You can see screenshots here:

- Light panel version: http://susepaste.org/45847968

- Dark panel version: http://susepaste.org/18096996

In the end all gtk desktops may end using the same theme.

Concerning the LXDE Panel Background: From what I can see, the active window button is not the pressed one (on the screenshot this is the Viewnior app), right? I Would switch this, so that the active button looks like pressed.

Greets Marcus

Hi. Good idea indeed. http://susepaste.org/24578913 Greetings. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org