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Robert Lihm

18 May 2010 18 May '10

09:54

Hello Creatives! I noticed that there was a voting for a default icon set for the new openSUSE.org Theme (aka Bento-Theme). So, to get a representative result, I would like to start a short discussion about "Bento-Theme default icon set". Right now, we already use the Silk Icons by Mark James [1] in the Build Service [2] because it has a wide range of icons which fit our needs and it fits good to Bento. The Problem with this set is: all icons are only available as 16 x 16px. I guess we have two option: 1. Tango Icons [3][4] 2. Oxygen icons [5] I vote for Tango Icons. Why do I vote for Tango: 1. The colours of Tango [6] fit to the colours of Bento [7] and they fit to the already used Silk icon set. 2. Icons should support the user while he is scanning the content. If the icons are to shiny they disturb more then they help. Oxygen is IMHO to shiny for the Bento-Theme. 3. We have folks from Tango-Project in the company, so we can easily get new icons in the right style It's not a question of personal taste, it's a question of pragmatic design. So, what do you vote for and why (please brief statements)? Thank you! Robert [1] http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/silk/ [2] https://build.opensuse.org/ [3] http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Desktop_Project [4] http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tango_icons [5] http://www.oxygen-icons.org/ [6] http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines#Color_Palette [7] http://tinyurl.com/bento-colors --- Robert Lihm, Webdesigner - openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg Tel: +49-911-74053-0 - rlihm@suse.de ____________________________________________________________ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ____________________________________________________________ SUSE - a Novell business -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

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Jakub Steiner

18 May 18 May

13:21

I'm highly biased but obviously lean towards Tango styled icon set. I will be happy to address specific icon needs that aren't covered by the base theme. Also the tango icon theme is public domain. -- Jakub Steiner http://jimmac.musichall.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Garrett LeSage

15:49

I also agree with Robert and Jakub, for the reasons they state. In addition, it would better integrate with SUSE branding elsewhere, such as the icons & style used on SUSE Studio. Also, as Jakub noted, the icon set is in the public domain and there is a wide assortment of icons covering most everything... and several of us (including Jakub and myself) can — and do — make more icons in this style. Garrett -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Javier Llorente

19 May 19 May

14:06

On Tuesday 18 May 2010 11:54:33 Robert Lihm wrote:

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Hello Creatives!

I noticed that there was a voting for a default icon set for the new openSUSE.org Theme (aka Bento-Theme).

So, to get a representative result, I would like to start a short discussion about "Bento-Theme default icon set".

Right now, we already use the Silk Icons by Mark James [1] in the Build Service [2] because it has a wide range of icons which fit our needs and it fits good to Bento. The Problem with this set is: all icons are only available as 16 x 16px.

I guess we have two option:

1. Tango Icons [3][4] 2. Oxygen icons [5]

I vote for the Oxygen icons. Tango icons are a bit boring, IMHO. Oxygen icons are full of expression The Bento theme's menu is already using some Oxygen icons. And they look nice. Why change that? It also fits the overall openSUSE style very well. Besides the Oxygen icon theme is more complete. Of course, some of them may need some changes, but still, I think it's a better choice. Greetings, -- Javier Llorente

Pavol Rusnak

14:29

On 05/19/2010 04:06 PM, Javier Llorente wrote:

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The Bento theme's menu is already using some Oxygen icons. And they look nice. Why change that? It also fits the overall openSUSE style very well.

Global menu used to use Oxygen icons but now it is using custom iconset created by gnokii. -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o openSUSE Boosters Team Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9, CR prusnak[at]suse.cz http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Javier Llorente

14:55

On Wednesday 19 May 2010 16:29:27 Pavol Rusnak wrote:

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On 05/19/2010 04:06 PM, Javier Llorente wrote:

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The Bento theme's menu is already using some Oxygen icons. And they look nice. Why change that? It also fits the overall openSUSE style very well.

Global menu used to use Oxygen icons but now it is using custom iconset created by gnokii.

Oops. I mean Oxygen-style and some of them Oxygen-based perhaps? (ie: mailing lists, wiki, help). Greetings, -- Javier Llorente

S.Kemter

15:02

Am Mittwoch, den 19.05.2010, 16:29 +0200 schrieb Pavol Rusnak:

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On 05/19/2010 04:06 PM, Javier Llorente wrote:

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The Bento theme's menu is already using some Oxygen icons. And they look nice. Why change that? It also fits the overall openSUSE style very well.

Global menu used to use Oxygen icons but now it is using custom iconset created by gnokii.

ok, time for me to say something on that topic. a few months ago was henne in artwork chan and asked which icon set should be used on the new wiki. I was happy that henne asked that because its a important thing actually our wiki looks like a box-room. Looking only of the OWN mixed using. I was that time for tango, I have the same opinion like Garrett, jimmac and rlihm on that. Tango is from our own house and its more useful at webpages. But I wasnt the majority at this day and a decission was made to use Oxygen style. So I did for the planet the "unknown users" and the menu icons in that style. Its not important for me to use Tango or Oxygen because I am a KDE or Gnome user, for me is more important to use only one style. br gnokii

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Henne Vogelsang

15:12

Hi, On 05/19/2010 05:02 PM, S.Kemter wrote:

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Its not important for me to use Tango or Oxygen because I am a KDE or Gnome user, for me is more important to use only one style.

Same here. I don't care. I just need to tell "my" users: use icons from this set and no others. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Pascal Bleser

19:56

On Wednesday 19 May 2010 17:02:17 S.Kemter wrote:

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Am Mittwoch, den 19.05.2010, 16:29 +0200 schrieb Pavol Rusnak:

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On 05/19/2010 04:06 PM, Javier Llorente wrote:

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The Bento theme's menu is already using some Oxygen icons. And they look nice. Why change that? It also fits the overall openSUSE style very well.

Global menu used to use Oxygen icons but now it is using custom iconset created by gnokii.

a few months ago was henne in artwork chan and asked which icon set should be used on the new wiki.

We definitely should have involved Robert, Jakub and Garrett for their expertise on the subject.

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I was happy that henne asked that because its a important thing actually our wiki looks like a box-room. Looking only of the OWN mixed using.

I was that time for tango, I have the same opinion like Garrett, jimmac and rlihm on that. Tango is from our own house and its more useful at webpages. [...] Its not important for me to use Tango or Oxygen because I am a KDE or Gnome user, for me is more important to use only one style.

Couldn't agree more. I'm all for Tango too, also because it looks a lot better on websites IMHO. People, don't pick Oxygen because it's what your favourite window manager is using by default. The Oxygen icons are indeed way too "crowded" with details, Tango does a better job in terms of usability (in this case, "boring" is a good thing). Practicality+usability > shiny And Robert's opinion counts ten-fold here, he's a web designer, we're not (well, some of us try to be at times but... (and that includes me ;)) (and as you can see I'm a developer, I always balance braces)). cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::6+7 Feb 2010, Brussels, http://fosdem.org

S.Kemter

20:01

Hallo,

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We definitely should have involved Robert, Jakub and Garrett for their expertise on the subject.

Robert opened that thread and Jakub and Garrett answered first ;) br gnokii -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Pascal Bleser

20:22

On Wednesday 19 May 2010 22:01:51 S.Kemter wrote:

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We definitely should have involved Robert, Jakub and Garrett for their expertise on the subject.

Robert opened that thread and Jakub and Garrett answered first ;)

I meant when henne asked about the wiki icon set, not this thread, which is why I wrote "should have involved" and not "should involve" ;D cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::6+7 Feb 2010, Brussels, http://fosdem.org

Raul Libório

20:26

I think the reasons have been cited. I also think that the theme combines more with the tango. Tango +1 On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 17:01, S.Kemter wrote:

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Hallo,

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We definitely should have involved Robert, Jakub and Garrett for their expertise on the subject.

Robert opened that thread and Jakub and Garrett answered first ;)

br gnokii

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Robert Lihm

20 May 20 May

12:41

Hey! thank you for your statements, I enjoyed to read them :-) Right now it looks like we have the following votes: 6 Tango 1 Oxygen 2 Neutral statements Am I right? So, I would move the Tango Icons [1] into the Bento-Theme repository [2] and note our decision in the style guide [2] (or someone else can do :-). We could start a wiki page, where we note missing icons. Or has anyone a better idea? Btw ... how tricky is it to replace all not-tango icons from the wiki? Thank you! Robert [1] http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Library [2] http://gitorious.org/opensuse/themes [3] http://tinyurl.com/bento-colors On 19.05.2010, at 22:26, Raul Libório wrote:

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I think the reasons have been cited. I also think that the theme combines more with the tango. Tango +1

On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 17:01, S.Kemter wrote:

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Hallo,

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We definitely should have involved Robert, Jakub and Garrett for their expertise on the subject.

Robert opened that thread and Jakub and Garrett answered first ;)

br gnokii

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Martin Schlander

13:18

Torsdag den 20. maj 2010 14:41:10 skrev Robert Lihm:

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Hey!

thank you for your statements, I enjoyed to read them :-)

Right now it looks like we have the following votes:

6 Tango 1 Oxygen 2 Neutral statements

Am I right?

Just for the record, you can count me as a vote for Oxygen too. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Henne Vogelsang

13:58

Hi, On 05/20/2010 02:41 PM, Robert Lihm wrote:

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Btw ... how tricky is it to replace all not-tango icons from the wiki?

Goto http://wiki.opensuse.org/Category:Icon an replace them with the appropriate Tango icon. The icon pages contain links of the pages that use it, so you can check the results. Documentation about the standard icons (used in the wiki templates and therefore very often) can be found here: http://wiki.opensuse.org/Help:Icon Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Robert Lihm

21 May 21 May

05:39

On 20.05.2010, at 15:58, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hi,

On 05/20/2010 02:41 PM, Robert Lihm wrote:

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Btw ... how tricky is it to replace all not-tango icons from the wiki?

Goto http://wiki.opensuse.org/Category:Icon an replace them with the appropriate Tango icon. The icon pages contain links of the pages that use it, so you can check the results.

Documentation about the standard icons (used in the wiki templates and therefore very often) can be found here:

http://wiki.opensuse.org/Help:Icon

Thank you :-) Robert

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Henne

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Jakub Steiner

1 Jun 1 Jun

17:16

Hi Robert, everyone. Here is a proposal for the menu icons, in Tango style. I believe the current oxygen icons are fine, but they are very packed in the space and rather complicated. I went for simpler metaphors and smaller size to give it some air to breathe. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24178/opensuse/bento-icons.png While I believe the tango icons are fine for this purpose and are very "webby", another thing we might try for the menu specifically is something more simple. Either having black/dark grey stencils or having the menu in dark grey and having them light grey would perhaps be great to indicate navigation. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24178/opensuse/all-icons.png In addition, it may be desirable to reconsider if every single item needs an icon. I would suggest to really only focus on the main items, like this -- http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24178/opensuse/major-icons.png It is a menu after all. cheers -- Jakub Steiner http://jimmac.musichall.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Robert Lihm

2 Jun 2 Jun

09:41

On 01.06.2010, at 19:16, Jakub Steiner wrote:

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Hi Robert, everyone.

Here is a proposal for the menu icons, in Tango style. I believe the current oxygen icons are fine, but they are very packed in the space and rather complicated. I went for simpler metaphors and smaller size to give it some air to breathe.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24178/opensuse/bento-icons.png

+1 I like the icons you made. I can build them into bento today.

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While I believe the tango icons are fine for this purpose and are very "webby", another thing we might try for the menu specifically is something more simple. Either having black/dark grey stencils or having the menu in dark grey and having them light grey would perhaps be great to indicate navigation.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24178/opensuse/all-icons.png

I played around with a similar idea ... we will have to try it offline and then decide.

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In addition, it may be desirable to reconsider if every single item needs an icon. I would suggest to really only focus on the main items, like this --

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24178/opensuse/major-icons.png

This is a great Idea! Or we could reduce the saturation of the not-major icons or make them grey. That would highlight the main points too. Thank you for the icons! :-) Rob

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It is a menu after all.

cheers

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Henne Vogelsang

19 May 19 May

14:51

Hi, On 05/19/2010 04:06 PM, Javier Llorente wrote:

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On Tuesday 18 May 2010 11:54:33 Robert Lihm wrote:

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I guess we have two option:

1. Tango Icons [3][4] 2. Oxygen icons [5]

I vote for the Oxygen icons. Tango icons are a bit boring, IMHO. Oxygen icons are full of expression The Bento theme's menu is already using some Oxygen icons.

The wiki is using Oxygen in the structural content (templates and such) too. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang, openSUSE. Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

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Garrett LeSage
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Javier Llorente
Martin Schlander
Pascal Bleser
Pavol Rusnak
Raul Libório
Robert Lihm
S.Kemter