[opensuse-artwork] Wiki pages: Wallpaper_graphics_(proposals)

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Rajko

15 Oct 2012 15 Oct '12

03:10

Please use this thread to talk about all wiki pages, just change wiki page name, and include a link, like below. Andy created this collection of pages with annotations as a communication method, which doesn't work well for me. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZesLzEIJej9YkzA52nf2I7GQgrf_h1E71NJ6ozu... http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wallpaper_graphics_(proposals) Before Kenneth came with idea to create Flickr group, we created this page and it is a bit of mess. Some links, some instructions, and nothing that can be linked from Flickr page. Original idea was that volunteers, that look anyway for good photography and graphics, post links to their findings, but it was fast expanded to comments, actual links to photos, then it was added legal text, instructions, requirements that it must and page become not that usable. We (me) need(s) idea how to organize that topic on the wiki as one of start points for us looking for a good photos. For now I'm sure that: * Wallpaper_graphics_(proposals) must be exactly what name tells. Few images that are proposed for the next release. * Legal requirements, instructions for collectors and jury must be linked, but they must go on a separate pages. I'm still not giving up on a idea to have page with links to web pages of good photographers, and it doesn't matter are they on their own server or some common place like Flickr, or photo.net. PS. Good photographers are rare, but in a world of 6 bln. people there is a lot of them. After short search on a site, see this: http://photo.net/photodb/member-photos?user_id=1868466 In other words instead of making only our photos, we will be better off to look (as originally planned) for other people work and hone skills to have such photos in our collections. Note that photo.net has no safe browsing, so any kind of photography can be found there. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

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DuBois, Scott L.

15 Oct 15 Oct

04:25

On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Rajko wrote:

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Please use this thread to talk about all wiki pages, just change wiki page name, and include a link, like below.

Andy created this collection of pages with annotations as a communication method, which doesn't work well for me. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gZesLzEIJej9YkzA52nf2I7GQgrf_h1E71NJ6ozu...

I think it works great myself, but that's just me. Being able to collaborate on one document without weeding through a bunch of this, that and the other keeps focus on the project.

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http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wallpaper_graphics_(proposals) Before Kenneth came with idea to create Flickr group, we created this page and it is a bit of mess. Some links, some instructions, and nothing that can be linked from Flickr page.

Original idea was that volunteers, that look anyway for good photography and graphics, post links to their findings, but it was fast expanded to comments, actual links to photos, then it was added legal text, instructions, requirements that it must and page become not that usable.

I agree this page could use some restructuring. Maybe if we create an outline of what "should" be in there vs what "is" there we could clean it up a bit. Remember, it has taken a while for all these pages to take shape to the point that they are now. It will take some time to clean them up as well, just hopefully not as long.

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We (me) need(s) idea how to organize that topic on the wiki as one of start points for us looking for a good photos.

For now I'm sure that: * Wallpaper_graphics_(proposals) must be exactly what name tells. Few images that are proposed for the next release. * Legal requirements, instructions for collectors and jury must be linked, but they must go on a separate pages.

Agreed, should we remove this page http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wallpapers_12.2 for Wallpaper_graphics_(proposals) then? Based on your description they are kind of covering the same thing.

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I'm still not giving up on a idea to have page with links to web pages of good photographers, and it doesn't matter are they on their own server or some common place like Flickr, or photo.net.

PS. Good photographers are rare, but in a world of 6 bln. people there is a lot of them. After short search on a site, see this: http://photo.net/photodb/member-photos?user_id=1868466

In other words instead of making only our photos, we will be better off to look (as originally planned) for other people work and hone skills to have such photos in our collections.

Note that photo.net has no safe browsing, so any kind of photography can be found there.

I understand the point being made here, but it seems obscure to me that among the thousands that use our distro not a single one of them is capable of generating a "once every 8 months" image we can use so we have to shop outside the community? If it has been that way in the past, it seems like kind of a bummer.

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-- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

-- God bless ! Scott DuBois www.ROGUEHORSE.com openSUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Rajko

16 Oct 16 Oct

03:57

On Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:25:53 -0700 "DuBois, Scott L." wrote: ...

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Original idea was that volunteers, that look anyway for good photography and graphics, post links to their findings, but it was fast expanded to comments, actual links to photos, then it was added legal text, instructions, requirements that it must and page become not that usable.

I agree this page could use some restructuring. Maybe if we create an outline of what "should" be in there vs what "is" there we could clean it up a bit. Remember, it has taken a while for all these pages to take shape to the point that they are now. It will take some time to clean them up as well, just hopefully not as long.

If no one objects it will be fixed as outlined below. (This is new method I will practicing: Announce change, wait, no comments or objections, do it.) ...

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For now I'm sure that: * Wallpaper_graphics_(proposals) must be exactly what name tells. Few images that are proposed for the next release. * Legal requirements, instructions for collectors and jury must be linked, but they must go on a separate pages.

Agreed, should we remove this page http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Wallpapers_12.2 for Wallpaper_graphics_(proposals) then? Based on your description they are kind of covering the same thing.

I would keep openSUSE:Wallpapers_12.2 and any other "Wallpapers" page with version encoded in a title. Actually here: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1aFpqeqWfl_hcpdEVUBKYd3No7aDi1ifmlaWUnNT5... you can see draft idea of a workflow. Phase I Collection of ideas and discussion. Phase II Announce default and packaged images at "openSUSE:Wallpaper_(default)". Next is create permanent page with release number encoded in a title. Current - will be always http://en.opensuse.org/Wallpapers created as transclusion of page with version in the name, plus references to older pages. Transclusion is what happens when one includes template in a another page. The same is possible with any ordinary page, "Template" namespace is to keep this pages out of wiki default search engine scope. Expression: {{openSUSE:Wallpapers_12.2}} will include whole page right on that place. You can have content before and after, which allows to add links to other wallpaper pages. "Some stuff before, like general intro that is valid for every release." {{openSUSE:Wallpapers_12.2}} "Some stuff after, like links to other collections, closing comments etc." Not to forget, above is first draft, and as you know it will need quite a few iterations to become model :)

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I'm still not giving up on a idea to have page with links to web pages of good photographers, ....

I understand the point being made here, but it seems obscure ... like kind of a bummer.

It is not a bummer. It is the Internet activity pyramid which is similar to social pyramids. Out of huge number of users there is just a fraction that will ever post anything, even smaller is number of permanently active people, and very few are pillars of community. We include whole a lot of software that is not created in house, and whatever is created in house is exposed the same criteria as external development, where better solution wins. Photography and other digital art should have same treatment. If in house creation can compete with external resources and win, better for us, but having protective zone that impede competition will not help. Going out and inviting people can only help. Out of many some will stay and actually contribute (pyramid :). -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

Bruno Friedmann

07:23

On Monday 15 October 2012 22.57:59 Rajko wrote:

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Actually here: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1aFpqeqWfl_hcpdEVUBKYd3No7aDi1ifmlaWUnNT5... you can see draft idea of a workflow.

Rajko This document doesn't seems to exist, when I try to access it -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

DuBois, Scott L.

16:49

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 12:23 AM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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On Monday 15 October 2012 22.57:59 Rajko wrote:

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Actually here: https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1aFpqeqWfl_hcpdEVUBKYd3No7aDi1ifmlaWUnNT5... you can see draft idea of a workflow.

Rajko This document doesn't seems to exist, when I try to access it

-- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch

Bruno, I added your email to the list of contributors. You should get an email notification from Google.

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Rajko

23:43

On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:49:29 -0700 "DuBois, Scott L." wrote:

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Bruno,

I added your email to the list of contributors. You should get an email notification from Google.

It should be opened for edit for anyone with a link, but as Google will not let me leave frame without adding at least one address, I added Bruno and Scott. (I still have a lot to learn about G+) -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

DuBois, Scott L.

21 Oct 21 Oct

16:32

On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 4:43 PM, Rajko wrote:

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On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:49:29 -0700 "DuBois, Scott L." wrote:

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Bruno,

I added your email to the list of contributors. You should get an email notification from Google.

It should be opened for edit for anyone with a link, but as Google will not let me leave frame without adding at least one address, I added Bruno and Scott.

(I still have a lot to learn about G+)

-- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

You're doing a great job though! ; ) Some of the stuff you are coming up with is fantastic! -- God bless ! Scott DuBois www.ROGUEHORSE.com openSUSE -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+owner@opensuse.org

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