[opensuse-artwork] widget theme proposal for 11.2

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Jakub Steiner

6 Apr 2009 6 Apr '09

11:12

Hi openSUSE pixel lovers. Time to think about 11.2 theming. In the global scope I propose to build upon the openSUSE look we've set up in the past two releases. As much as some people make fun of it[1], we have set up some basic style attributes that make an openSUSE screenshot identifiable. Here's the basic elements we need to theme every release: - Gfxboot (cd welcome screen, menu) - Boot select screen (grub) - Boot (bootsplash, splashy) - YAST installer (Slideshow graphics, installer 'skin'). - Greeter (a nag screen when the system runs for the first time. Luckily the plan is to drop the nag screen at least on the GNOME side at last) - KDE sysinfo ('my computer') - KDE session splash - KDE login (KDM) - Wallpaper - Test printout pages (A4/Letter). - Cursor theme - Default font (more on that later) - Support web banner for a release (openSUSE countdown) That's the wide theming universe we need to cover. It's still missing a substantial item. For a couple of releases we haven't changed the widget and window decoration theme, at least on the GNOME side. I like being conservative about something that needs to be mainly readable and you'll be staring at for a long time, but it really is time to refresh that. I've given an initial stab at a metatheme and brought together the dark grey and green elements we've had in the boot and splash screens. There are some contrast issues when using a dark widget theme, however, so the dark grey is reserved only for the panel and application menus. We probably want to provide an alternative color scheme as well as having a greenish widget theme, greenish WM decorations and a green wallpaper may be too much SUSE for some people to handle :) Will work with Garrett LeSage on this. You can grab and test the theme out[2]. You will need to checkout and install the Murrine theme engine from svn trunk (gnome svn). I will be looking at the KDE side of this now. If there is an enthusiastic KDE person familiar with the theming subsystems in KDE4, I would love to have a chat. Robert Lihm has volunteered to sync the look over on Fluxbox as well. There is one major issue with dark menus on a light theme. Firefox' awesomebar gets a little odd. This can't be done from the gtkrc as far as I can tell. We will need to provide a chrome fix to deal with this. Garrett LeSage has indicated interest in this area. We probably want to discuss how to cope with theme switching though. If we can't reasonably work around this, we will need to drop the dark menus. Something that relates to widgets quite closely are fonts. Garrett LeSage proposed to use the Apache licensed Droid font family as a default in place of Dejavu for 11.2. Aaron Bockover already packaged it for openSUSE[3] so you can try it out. The sans-serif variant is a great screen font, with a more compact metrics than Dejavu. I agree we should push for the switch. I'm thrilled to hear you feedback and let's get iterating. [1] http://bushweed.blogspot.com/2009/01/comux-000010.html [2] http://forgeftp.novell.com/opensuse-art/openSUSE11.2/metatheme/metatheme-Son... [3] http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/aaronbockover/openSUSE_11.1/... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

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Michael Fox

6 Apr 6 Apr

12:09

Thank you for mailing this list, was starting to feel really ignored here :) I'll get to work on this as soon as i can :) btw how would we test the Gfxboot and yast installer, and similar odd things On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 13:12 +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote:

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Hi openSUSE pixel lovers.

Time to think about 11.2 theming. In the global scope I propose to build upon the openSUSE look we've set up in the past two releases. As much as some people make fun of it[1], we have set up some basic style attributes that make an openSUSE screenshot identifiable.

Here's the basic elements we need to theme every release:

- Gfxboot (cd welcome screen, menu) - Boot select screen (grub) - Boot (bootsplash, splashy) - YAST installer (Slideshow graphics, installer 'skin'). - Greeter (a nag screen when the system runs for the first time. Luckily the plan is to drop the nag screen at least on the GNOME side at last) - KDE sysinfo ('my computer') - KDE session splash - KDE login (KDM) - Wallpaper - Test printout pages (A4/Letter). - Cursor theme - Default font (more on that later) - Support web banner for a release (openSUSE countdown)

That's the wide theming universe we need to cover. It's still missing a substantial item.

For a couple of releases we haven't changed the widget and window decoration theme, at least on the GNOME side. I like being conservative about something that needs to be mainly readable and you'll be staring at for a long time, but it really is time to refresh that.

I've given an initial stab at a metatheme and brought together the dark grey and green elements we've had in the boot and splash screens. There are some contrast issues when using a dark widget theme, however, so the dark grey is reserved only for the panel and application menus. We probably want to provide an alternative color scheme as well as having a greenish widget theme, greenish WM decorations and a green wallpaper may be too much SUSE for some people to handle :) Will work with Garrett LeSage on this.

You can grab and test the theme out[2]. You will need to checkout and install the Murrine theme engine from svn trunk (gnome svn).

I will be looking at the KDE side of this now. If there is an enthusiastic KDE person familiar with the theming subsystems in KDE4, I would love to have a chat. Robert Lihm has volunteered to sync the look over on Fluxbox as well.

There is one major issue with dark menus on a light theme. Firefox' awesomebar gets a little odd. This can't be done from the gtkrc as far as I can tell. We will need to provide a chrome fix to deal with this. Garrett LeSage has indicated interest in this area. We probably want to discuss how to cope with theme switching though. If we can't reasonably work around this, we will need to drop the dark menus.

Something that relates to widgets quite closely are fonts. Garrett LeSage proposed to use the Apache licensed Droid font family as a default in place of Dejavu for 11.2. Aaron Bockover already packaged it for openSUSE[3] so you can try it out. The sans-serif variant is a great screen font, with a more compact metrics than Dejavu. I agree we should push for the switch.

I'm thrilled to hear you feedback and let's get iterating.

[1] http://bushweed.blogspot.com/2009/01/comux-000010.html [2] http://forgeftp.novell.com/opensuse-art/openSUSE11.2/metatheme/metatheme-Son... [3] http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/aaronbockover/openSUSE_11.1/...

-- Michael Fox Developer and user of Blender3d www.blender.org mfoxdogg@gmail.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Alexey Eremenko

13:21

One thing that I would _really_ LOVE to see is beautyful Window Decorations theme for KDE4. (something like SUSE Linux 9.1-era) -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Rajko M.

14:21

On Monday 06 April 2009 08:21:22 am Alexey Eremenko wrote:

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One thing that I would _really_ LOVE to see is beautyful Window Decorations theme for KDE4. (something like SUSE Linux 9.1-era)

Excellent idea Alexey. Now, bad news, who is going to do that? First, check what part of Windows branding isn't protected by copyright. Second, if it is not (which, I suspect, is not true), who is going to take time and analyze graphic elements, make comparative list to KDE, and finally create them. How much work is that in man*hours? First part will probably ask for some monetary contribution to pay lawyer to research copyrights (and find they are copyrighted), or country that doesn't have copyright protection, and as consequence no need for Linux, as they use proprietary software with cracked copyright protection. Check number of openSUSE users outside the Europe and US on the http://en.opensuse.org/OpenSUSE_Community/Map and you'll see what I'm talking about. Second will ask for graphic designer, experienced with GUI, to, at least, point volunteers where to go, and of course volunteers. Any takers? I really think that you have good ideas, but, for some reason, you never try to think about the way from idea to realization. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy

22:02

On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 16:21 +0300, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

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One thing that I would _really_ LOVE to see is beautyful Window Decorations theme for KDE4. (something like SUSE Linux 9.1-era)

I never was a fan of those window decs, but if you have some ideas for the KDE windecs, by all means give us an idea ;-) -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Member www.twitter.com/KevinDupuy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy

21:59

On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 13:12 +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote:

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For a couple of releases we haven't changed the widget and window decoration theme, at least on the GNOME side. I like being conservative about something that needs to be mainly readable and you'll be staring at for a long time, but it really is time to refresh that.

The current GNOME theme was from Spring 2006, so I'd agree ;-)

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I've given an initial stab at a metatheme and brought together the dark grey and green elements we've had in the boot and splash screens. There are some contrast issues when using a dark widget theme, however, so the dark grey is reserved only for the panel and application menus. We probably want to provide an alternative color scheme as well as having a greenish widget theme, greenish WM decorations and a green wallpaper may be too much SUSE for some people to handle :) Will work with Garrett LeSage on this.

You can grab and test the theme out[2]. You will need to checkout and install the Murrine theme engine from svn trunk (gnome svn).

Sounds good to me, I'll give the theme a look soon ;-)

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Something that relates to widgets quite closely are fonts. Garrett LeSage proposed to use the Apache licensed Droid font family as a default in place of Dejavu for 11.2. Aaron Bockover already packaged it for openSUSE[3] so you can try it out. The sans-serif variant is a great screen font, with a more compact metrics than Dejavu. I agree we should push for the switch.

Also Jakub, what would you like to do with the Pixel Pool? We had some good ideas for 11.1, do you still want to use it to solicit designs for the wallpaper, bootsplash, etc. or would you like to do something else for those? -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Member www.twitter.com/KevinDupuy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Jakub Steiner

7 Apr 7 Apr

10:28

On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 16:59 -0500, Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy wrote:

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Also Jakub, what would you like to do with the Pixel Pool? We had some good ideas for 11.1, do you still want to use it to solicit designs for the wallpaper, bootsplash, etc. or would you like to do something else for those?

Hi Kevin, Wiki is a better than nothing, so I'd stick with it. It's good to have an overall look of the distro and not focus only on one part. The biggest downside having this on the wiki is that we perhaps haven't had a discussion around those designs going. Maybe we should urge people to pitch their idea/design here on the list so it doesn't feel like posting to /dev/null. It does take away time to deal with the usual 90% poor quality submissions, but it's worth it in the long run. For example the glass and vectors mockups did steer the SLED installer theme towards light widgets as there have been some problems with using large dark backgrounds for screenshots in the documentation. A number of theming bugs related to the inverted widgets keep coming back, we probably ant to go with a lighter theme for openSUSE installer as well. Maybe the mailing list discussion will even be better than having inline comments as those attract those one liners in the likes of "I like!" "Perhaps you'd like to see a picture of my cat! Makes perfect wallpaper." -- Jakub Steiner Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy

21:17

New subject: [opensuse-artwork] Pixel Pool 11.2

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 12:28 +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote:

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Hi Kevin,

Wiki is a better than nothing, so I'd stick with it. It's good to have an overall look of the distro and not focus only on one part. The biggest downside having this on the wiki is that we perhaps haven't had a discussion around those designs going. Maybe we should urge people to pitch their idea/design here on the list so it doesn't feel like posting to /dev/null.

So here's what I'm thinking... Keep the wiki pages so those proposing ideas can use their wiki page to present the artwork they propose, but for every new proposal create a thread on the mailinglist (or more specifically the proposer would create the thread ;-) ), for discussion. If this sounds good, I'll adjust the Pixel Pool wiki page appropriately. Do we want another announcement on openSUSE News like last year? If so, I'll write it up. -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Member www.twitter.com/KevinDupuy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Cameron Seader

22:55

New subject: [opensuse-artwork] Pixel Pool 11.2

Check out the New KDE4 theme. Nothing special.. just some Oxygen and traditional Dark Green background. Very nice and elegant. http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Pixel_Pool/11.2 http://cameronseader.blogspot.com/2009/04/opensuse-112-kde4-theme.html -Cameron

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On 4/7/2009 at 03:17 PM, in message <1239139076.6960.4.camel@linux-0uq7.site>, "Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy" wrote: On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 12:28 +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: Hi Kevin,

Wiki is a better than nothing, so I'd stick with it. It's good to have an overall look of the distro and not focus only on one part. The biggest downside having this on the wiki is that we perhaps haven't had a discussion around those designs going. Maybe we should urge people to pitch their idea/design here on the list so it doesn't feel like posting to /dev/null.

So here's what I'm thinking...

Keep the wiki pages so those proposing ideas can use their wiki page to present the artwork they propose, but for every new proposal create a thread on the mailinglist (or more specifically the proposer would create the thread ;-) ), for discussion.

If this sounds good, I'll adjust the Pixel Pool wiki page appropriately. Do we want another announcement on openSUSE News like last year? If so, I'll write it up.

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Cameron Seader

23:26

New subject: [opensuse-artwork] Pixel Pool 11.2

I created a color scheme too. just need to send it to you all. -Cameron

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On 4/7/2009 at 04:55 PM, in message <49DB85870200005B00054DA5@sinclair.provo.novell.com>, "Cameron Seader" wrote: Check out the New KDE4 theme. Nothing special.. just some Oxygen and traditional Dark Green background. Very nice and elegant.

http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Pixel_Pool/11.2 http://cameronseader.blogspot.com/2009/04/opensuse-112-kde4-theme.html -Cameron

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On 4/7/2009 at 03:17 PM, in message <1239139076.6960.4.camel@linux-0uq7.site>, "Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy" wrote: On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 12:28 +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: Hi Kevin,

Wiki is a better than nothing, so I'd stick with it. It's good to have an overall look of the distro and not focus only on one part. The biggest downside having this on the wiki is that we perhaps haven't had a discussion around those designs going. Maybe we should urge people to pitch their idea/design here on the list so it doesn't feel like posting to /dev/null.

So here's what I'm thinking...

Keep the wiki pages so those proposing ideas can use their wiki page to present the artwork they propose, but for every new proposal create a thread on the mailinglist (or more specifically the proposer would create the thread ;-) ), for discussion.

If this sounds good, I'll adjust the Pixel Pool wiki page appropriately. Do we want another announcement on openSUSE News like last year? If so, I'll write it up.

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Cameron Seader

8 Apr 8 Apr

16:02

New subject: [opensuse-artwork] Pixel Pool 11.2

color Scheme can be downloaded from here http://cameronseader.blogspot.com/2009/04/follow-up-kde4-oxygen-opensuse-col... enjoy! -Cameron

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On 4/7/2009 at 05:26 PM, in message <49DB8CAA0200005B00054DC7@sinclair.provo.novell.com>, "Cameron Seader" wrote: I created a color scheme too. just need to send it to you all. -Cameron

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On 4/7/2009 at 04:55 PM, in message <49DB85870200005B00054DA5@sinclair.provo.novell.com>, "Cameron Seader" wrote: Check out the New KDE4 theme. Nothing special.. just some Oxygen and traditional Dark Green background. Very nice and elegant.

http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Pixel_Pool/11.2 http://cameronseader.blogspot.com/2009/04/opensuse-112-kde4-theme.html -Cameron

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On 4/7/2009 at 03:17 PM, in message <1239139076.6960.4.camel@linux-0uq7.site>, "Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy" wrote: On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 12:28 +0200, Jakub Steiner wrote: Hi Kevin,

Wiki is a better than nothing, so I'd stick with it. It's good to have an overall look of the distro and not focus only on one part. The biggest downside having this on the wiki is that we perhaps haven't had a discussion around those designs going. Maybe we should urge people to pitch their idea/design here on the list so it doesn't feel like posting to /dev/null.

So here's what I'm thinking...

Keep the wiki pages so those proposing ideas can use their wiki page to present the artwork they propose, but for every new proposal create a thread on the mailinglist (or more specifically the proposer would create the thread ;-) ), for discussion.

If this sounds good, I'll adjust the Pixel Pool wiki page appropriately. Do we want another announcement on openSUSE News like last year? If so, I'll write it up.

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Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy

9 Apr 9 Apr

01:51

New subject: [opensuse-artwork] Pixel Pool 11.2

On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 16:55 -0600, Cameron Seader wrote:

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Check out the New KDE4 theme. Nothing special.. just some Oxygen and traditional Dark Green background. Very nice and elegant.

http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Pixel_Pool/11.2 http://cameronseader.blogspot.com/2009/04/opensuse-112-kde4-theme.html -Cameron

Cameron: I've just edited the Pixel Pool for 11.2 http://en.opensuse.org/Artwork:Pixel_Pool/11.2 with new instructions for what to do to promote a theme idea. If you don't mind, I'd appreciate it if you could both create a wiki page for your idea (easier than using an external blog) and send a new mail to this list with your idea (for discussion). Thanks for your idea, -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Member www.twitter.com/KevinDupuy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

Jakub Steiner

19:11

New subject: [opensuse-artwork] Pixel Pool 11.2

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So here's what I'm thinking...

Keep the wiki pages so those proposing ideas can use their wiki page to present the artwork they propose, but for every new proposal create a thread on the mailinglist (or more specifically the proposer would create the thread ;-) ), for discussion.

If this sounds good, I'll adjust the Pixel Pool wiki page appropriately. Do we want another announcement on openSUSE News like last year? If so, I'll write it up.

Sounds like a plan. And the announcement would be nice to have. Thanks for this! cheers -- Jakub Steiner http://jimmac.musichall.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-artwork+help@opensuse.org

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