Hello everyone: Has anyone experienced major problems running SuSE 9.3 / 64-bit on an AMD 64 laptop? Either install, running or mechanical problems, such as overheating, hardware not being recognized, etc. Any help greatly appreciated. Cheers, Mike
On Sunday 10 July 2005 22:28, Mike Roy wrote:
Hello everyone: Has anyone experienced major problems running SuSE 9.3 / 64-bit on an AMD 64 laptop? Either install, running or mechanical problems, such as overheating, hardware not being recognized, etc. Any help greatly appreciated.
The next c't (available tomorrow) will have a review of Turion laptops; usually, this includes a SuSE Linux installation. Maybe someone can post a summary? -- Bernd Paysan "If you want it done right, you have to do it yourself" http://www.jwdt.com/~paysan/
Mike Roy wrote:
Hello everyone: Has anyone experienced major problems running SuSE 9.3 / 64-bit on an AMD 64 laptop? Either install, running or mechanical problems, such as overheating, hardware not being recognized, etc. Any help greatly appreciated. Cheers, Mike
Hi, Mike. At the risk of preaching the choir, I will detail my experiences with 64-bit SuSE 9.1, 9.2, 9.3 on an AMD64-based laptop. I got my first 64-bit laptop last October. As you will see, most of my problems were hardware-related and had nothing to do with operating system. I have been using a Compaq Presario R3000 series laptop since October. It is based on the nVidia chpset, which is why I bought it. Inside, it is identical to the Pavillion 5000-series. I started with SuSE 9.1, then moved on to 9.2, and now 9.3 (all 64-bit). All the hardware was recognized (SuSE directed me to download the latest nVidia drivers). I only had to tweak the '/etc/pcmcia/config.opts' file for proper PCMCIA operation. I have not been able to get the modem nor the built-in media reader to work (the modem reportedly works in the 32-bit environment). For the wifi I used the Linuxant drivers (this laptop has a Broadcom chipset). All other hardware worked right out of the box. The most vexing problem I've been having is ALSA. SuSE pakcages Firefox as a 32-bit application, so it can invoke flash and Realplayer (both available only in 32-bit binaries). However, neither of them seems to obey ALSA and it monopolizes the sound card. (See my postings "QUESTIONS FOR THE GURUS" on this board last month.) You may also have problems with MPlayer/xine, but they work for the most part. (After SuSE was acquired by Novell, they have been crippling their distribution's ability to play media, possibly to avoid getting sued.) In general, you may be better off not installing any media players from the SuSE CD/DVD if you are doing an initial install; you can install them from the apt-get repositories later. Overall, I have seen a drastic improvement from SuSE 9.1 to 9.3. I personally believe (partly based on postings on the board pertinent to this laptop) that SuSE is the PREMIER 64-bit Linux distribution out there. Yes, I had to do my tweaks, but compared to the problems others running other distros have been through, it was a breeze. SuSE makes it easy to install 32-bit applications in their 64-bit environment. The 32-bit libraries retain their original names and the 64-bit libraries have "64" appended to their names (so, you have, for example, '/lib' for 32 bits and '/lib64' for 64bits). You may have to tweak the makefiles if you are compiling programs from source, so the compiler refrences the correct libraries. The excellent SuSE manual has a special chapter dedicated to compiling and running 32-bit programs under the 64-bit kernel. (I wish their otherwise excellent manual were more helpful about ALSA.) Unfortunately, HP/Compaq has discontinued this laptop. They now offer the R4000 (and its identical twin Pavillion 6000) from what I read. The new series, unfortunately, utilizes ATI graphics. From what I read, people have a lot of problems getting 3D to work. For your own reference, you may check this link: http://lists.pcxperience.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxr3000 Now, a word of caution. My personal experience with this laptop (R3000Z-series) has been dismal! This has nothing to do with the operating system. At first, the laptop I received had an overheating problem. It took HP two tries and a "system board replacement" to fix it. However, when the computer got back, it had another problem: If I turned it off and then on shortly afterwards (doing a power cycle, say), it would not turn on! I had to leave it for over 10 hours and/or remove the battery and AC adaptor and then press the ON switch to get it to work. So, back to HP for repairs. When it came back (now in its THIRD "system board"), I ran the battery low, down to 18%. I plugged in the AC adaptor. Shortly afterwards, I hard a buzzing sound (like arching) and smelled "electrical smell." Linux (SuSE 9.2, 64-bit) indicated that the battery was not charging, which seemed to be true. At that point, HP offered to take the --obviously junk-- laptop back and give me a newer, but refurbished one. I agreed because I had no choice (the other choice was to return what I had for a refund of 65%-70% of the initial price I paid). Now, the laptop I had at that point had a resolution of 1920×1200 and HP told me they no longer offered that resolution. So, they offered me a laptop with 1680×1050 resolution and upped the RAM from 512 MB to 1 GB to compensate for the lower resolution. I've had no problems with the newer laptop and its battery life is over 4 hours (I bought the high-capacity battery), which is not too shabby given its power (2.2 GHz AMD64). However, given my recent experience with HP, I would think twice before buying any of their products any time soon. Their customer support was great, but what can they do if a product has flaws from the drawing board? In short, I would avoid HP/Compaq laptops (64-bit or 32-bit) and stick with SuSE, especially if I needed a 64-bit distribution. I would also consider installing apt-get and its synaptic GUI. CF
On Monday 11 July 2005 01:01 am, Constantine 'Gus' Fantanas wrote:
In short, I would avoid HP/Compaq laptops (64-bit or 32-bit) and stick with SuSE, especially if I needed a 64-bit distribution. I would also consider installing apt-get and its synaptic GUI.
I hear you pain and frustration. Just to give some credit, I have the zv5000 (HP amd_64) laptop and love it. everything works except the wireless lan because there isn't 64bit windows drivers to reverse engineer. I haven't tried the modem. Even the scrolling touchpad works(This took some configuring in 9.2 and just worked in 9.3. The only trouble I had was the newer nvidia drivers. They needed to be forced to recognize that they were on a laptop. Once you use the binary drivers from nvidia, there is some more tweaking needed to get suspending to disk to work (I haven't done yet), but is still possible. When I got the laptop, shortly after the harddrive went bad. I was able to get a human on the phone and a new drive being crossed shipped within 1/2 hour of dialing. I WILL /WOULD get another HP laptop (amd 64) if I had the chance. I love mine, and SuSE! B-)
I decided to respond in public because my comments below may be applicable to other laptops with Broadcom wifi and/or nVidia video cards and even desktops. Brad Bourn wrote:
On Monday 11 July 2005 01:01 am, Constantine 'Gus' Fantanas wrote:
In short, I would avoid HP/Compaq laptops (64-bit or 32-bit) and stick with SuSE, especially if I needed a 64-bit distribution. I would also consider installing apt-get and its synaptic GUI.
I hear you pain and frustration. Just to give some credit, I have the zv5000 (HP amd_64) laptop and love it. everything works except the wireless lan because there isn't 64bit windows drivers to reverse engineer.
--If the zv5000 is identical to mine (Compaq Presario R3000) inside and mine has the Broadcom wifi chipset, shouldn't yours have the same also? In order to get the wifi Broadcom chipset to work, you need ndiswrapper or Linuxant's drivers (the former free; you can get a 30-day evaluation for the latter, after which you must pay about US$20 to get the permanent license). So THERE ARE 64-bit Windows drivers for my Broadcom chipset and I've been using them for a while with the Linuxant drivers. Make sure you get the latest ndiswrapper or Linuxant drivers --the latter at least 2.28-- because the Broadcom chipset seems to have troouble working with memory over 1 GB; the newest ndiswrapper/Linuxant drivers use a workaround for this. The Linuxant web site (www.linuxant.com) has a link to the appropriate Windows 64-bit drivers for the Broadcom chipset. It seems that the the HP/Compaq laptops with less resolution were more reliable, apparently because the pixel clock did not run as fast and the video card ran cooler.
The only trouble I had was the newer nvidia drivers. They needed to be forced to recognize that they were on a laptop. Once you use the binary drivers from nvidia, there is some more tweaking needed to get suspending to disk to work (I haven't done yet), but is still possible.
--Good points! You need to enter 'options nvidia NVreg_Mobile=0' in your '/etc/modprobe.conf.local' file. My understanding is that supsend to disk and 3D acceleration are incompatible on this laptop for the time being. Let us know if you find out otherwise. To the best of my knowledge, there are people who recompiled the ACPI DSDT (see the SuSE 9.3 Administration Guide, p. 307, on this --aren't those SuSE manuals just great?) but still have been unable to get 3D and suspend to disk to work together on this laptop.
When I got the laptop, shortly after the harddrive went bad. I was able to get a human on the phone and a new drive being crossed shipped within 1/2 hour of dialing.
--Yes, their customer service (most of it in India, as I found out during my numerous interactions with them) is quite good.
I WILL /WOULD get another HP laptop (amd 64) if I had the chance. I love mine, and SuSE!
B-)
On Monday 11 July 2005 21:30, Brad Bourn wrote:
On Monday 11 July 2005 01:01 am, Constantine 'Gus' Fantanas wrote:
In short, I would avoid HP/Compaq laptops (64-bit or 32-bit)
no problems here, with a HP zv5188EA (amd64, running at real 2 GHz)
and stick with SuSE, especially if I needed a 64-bit distribution.
yes, amd64 plus notebook plus SuSE is the winning combination!
I would also consider installing apt-get and its synaptic GUI.
agreed, apt is very helpful! Update and installation of apps made easy.
I hear you pain and frustration. Just to give some credit, I have the zv5000 (HP amd_64) laptop and love it.
same here! It is my notebook and my workhorse.
everything works except the wireless lan because there isn't 64bit windows drivers to reverse engineer. I haven't tried the modem.
the modem doesn't work out of the box, because there is no smartmodem 64 bit driver. But some people got it to work using ALSA. There is a howto posted on this list, IIRC in January or February.
Even the scrolling touchpad works(This took some configuring in 9.2 and just worked in 9.3.
same here! This was a very pleasant surprise when installing 9.3
The only trouble I had was the newer nvidia drivers. They needed to be forced to recognize that they were on a laptop. Once you use the binary drivers from nvidia, there is some more tweaking needed to get suspending to disk to work (I haven't done yet), but is still possible.
not tried yet.
When I got the laptop, shortly after the harddrive went bad. I was able to get a human on the phone and a new drive being crossed shipped within 1/2 hour of dialing.
no hardware problems here, despite frequently switching hdds (for testing) and upgrading to max. RAM (1.25 GB) I often do not even switch it off overnight, and it runs and runs and runs...
I WILL /WOULD get another HP laptop (amd 64) if I had the chance. I love mine, and SuSE!
Same here, I almost bought the newer version of the same model already, but then again, the "old" one I have now just runs too good, I do not really need to upgrade...
B-)
Hi I have the same laptop Compaq 3240US. SuSe 9.1 and 92. worked fine on it. Currently running 9.2 still too lazy to upggrade. I faced no Hardware problem except one day find that red ants made nest under the key board. Faced the 32 bit Flash and real player problem with 64 bit Firefox. Unable to made work the media reader and in build WiFi card But I am very happy with the laptop and 64 bit SuSe 9.2 Anirban -- Masjid dha de, mandir dha de, dha de jo kucch dainda Par kisi da dil na dhain, Rab dilan vich rehnda.. English Tear down the mosque and the temple; break everything in sight But do not break a person's heart, it is there that God resides
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Anirban Biswas
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Bernd Paysan
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Brad Bourn
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Constantine 'Gus' Fantanas
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Matt T.
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Mike Roy