With other words, i have a fast 3d-graphic adapter and a high speed 64 Bit OS and no possibility to use this. that really sucks. thanx for promt answering. Are there any future plans noted about development of 64 bit supported drivers from ati? I've tried to load the fglrx modules but i hadn't succes wiht combilation of them. By the way, is it necessary to have an "agpgart" module in Suse Linux? Regards Christian Maier

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hi, i have a problem with Suse 9.0 64Bit Version and my Sapphire Radeon 9600xt graphic card. First of all, this are my system components: Asus K8V Deluxe Motherboard Sapphire Radeon 9600xt Wester Digital SATA Hard Disk connected wiht onboard Promise controller and other non exotic hardware

My problem is this: I get no 3D-Hardware acceleration. I've tried the Suse fglrx drivers and the one from ati wiht no success. There is allways the same error during the installation of the kernel-module. Seem like a conflict between 32bit and 64bit libraries (elf32... elf64). Do anybody have an solution, cause it seems like i get no support from suse although i've paid for the software.

What module are you trying? AFAIR there's only a 32-bit binary module by ATI for that - and that cannot work with a 64-bit OS.

Since ATI has not released the specification for the chip and there's no Open Source 3D driver for it, there's nothing SUSE can do for you...

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On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:57:20 +0100 (CET) "Peter Rundberg" wrote:

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I've tried to load the fglrx modules but i hadn't succes wiht combilation of them.

The only good accelerated OpenGL in AMD64 Linux is with an nVidia card and the nividia binary drivers.

It depends on how you define good. Nvidia doesn't have 32bit emulation in their drivers, which means 32bit programs won't get accelerated. The free driver for older Radeons included in the distribution supports that fine.

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By the way, is it necessary to have an "agpgart" module in Suse Linux?

Yes, you need it for AGP support if your drivers doesn't do it for you (like the nVidia drivers can). I am not sure how the ATI drivers do it.

On x86-64 an agpgart module is not needed and even dangerous. The AGP driver is always built into the kernel. This is needed for the AGP based x86-64 IOMMU. The AMD K8 core has most of the functionality of the AGP bridge built in the core CPU, so this isn't a big issue. One common driver works for most chipsets. It is dangerous to play with self compiled agpgart modules, because these will destroy the state of the kernel driver. When you use the IOMMU for some reason (e.g. you have enough memory and PCI devices that are not 64bit capable like most IDE devices) then you risk severe data corruption and corrupted file systems. -Andi

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Bob Fischer wrote:

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I already asked ATI two months ago about 64bit drivers. I was not deemed worthy to receive an answer. However, I agree with other posters of this thread: The more people ask for this drivers the better. Myself, I did the logical thing. I bought an Nvidia 5900XT instead :-) Nvidia supports Linux nicely and we can vote with our wallet...

I had the same experience as well. NVidia makes great cards, why worry about Radeon?

If I end up going for Opteron workstations I'll probably be buying 15 or so as a start. I have learned the hard way NOT to try and remote administer other people's workstations with NVIDIA cards, the driver compiling after a kernel or xfree86 upgrade is just too much of a pain. Bjørn -- Bjørn Tore Sund Phone: (+47) 555-84894 Stupidity is like a System administrator Fax: (+47) 555-89672 fractal; universal and Math. Department Mobile: (+47) 918 68075 infinitely repetitive. University of Bergen VIP: 81724 Support: system@mi.uib.no Contact: teknisk@mi.uib.no Direct: bjornts@mi.uib.no

On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 12:37:17PM -0500, Bob Fischer wrote:

Aack!

I haven't (yet) tried to install my NVidia 3-D drivers. They at least claim to have made installation "painless" --- but I'll have to wait and see on that one.

It's fairly OK, just a few menus to go through. Doing it after every kernel update, though, is what makes in painful.

Do ANY graphics card vendors offer painless 3-D support that doesn't require you to recompile the kernel? AFAIK, if you want to use your 3-D accelerator, your only choice these days is to recompile your kernel. I don't think that any graphics vendor has supplied open drivers that can be included with a standard Linux distro.

Radeon 9200 works out of the box with open source drivers, 3D accelerated. It's not top-of-the-pack card, though. Radeon 9200SE needs XFree86 4.4, though, so be careful.

In my experience, Radeon cards barely work without their special driver. I mean, I don't get 1280x1024 with 24-bit color. My nVidia card at least gives me that functionality out of the box.

At least my Radeon 7500's and Mobility M6 both work fine in high-res and truecolor. Btw, talking about cards that work on AMD64, does anybody know of a decent card (preferably quiet, fanless) that'd do dualhead? Matroxes don't work, as they need the HAL library, which is binary only and 32-bit. -- Vojtech Pavlik SuSE Labs, SuSE CR

On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 08:38:15PM +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Btw, talking about cards that work on AMD64, does anybody know of a decent card (preferably quiet, fanless) that'd do dualhead? Matroxes don't work, as they need the HAL library, which is binary only and 32-bit.

The matroxes work AFAIK even without the HAL library in dualhead...

Mine (G400 MAX) doesn't want to. It can do everything (2D, 3D, ...) but dualhead without HAL. -- Vojtech Pavlik SuSE Labs, SuSE CR

On Mon, Mar 22, 2004 at 03:22:16AM +0100, Tom Keresztes wrote:

And the Parhelia ?

... has no open source (and thus no 64-bit) drivers at all, as far as I know.

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On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 08:38:15PM +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Vojtech Pavlik writes:

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Btw, talking about cards that work on AMD64, does anybody know of a decent card (preferably quiet, fanless) that'd do dualhead? Matroxes don't work, as they need the HAL library, which is binary only and 32-bit.

The matroxes work AFAIK even without the HAL library in dualhead...

Mine (G400 MAX) doesn't want to. It can do everything (2D, 3D, ...) but dualhead without HAL.

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Just one update regarding the dualhead issue: For G400 Dualhead boards you need the HAL library. Matrox G450/G550 should work fine in Dualhead mode without HAL library. Radeon 7500 now works also in Dualhead (SuSE 9.1 (Beta)). It didn't work on SuSE 9.0, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE Linux AG, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Bob Fischer wrote:

On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 12:02, Bjorn Tore Sund wrote:

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If I end up going for Opteron workstations I'll probably be buying 15 or so as a start. I have learned the hard way NOT to try and remote administer other people's workstations with NVIDIA cards, the driver compiling after a kernel or xfree86 upgrade is just too much of a pain.

Aack!

I haven't (yet) tried to install my NVidia 3-D drivers. They at least claim to have made installation "painless" --- but I'll have to wait and see on that one.

I have. It _can_ be done non-interactively. If you're in runlevel 3. Which means I either need to contact each user with an nvidia card individually or schedule the patching process outside working hours. Working hours being highly non-definitive in an academic institution, I need to _check_ that the user isn't logged in.

If 15 workstations are all the same, is there any way you can re-build the kernel on one of them and then rsync to the other 15?

Quite possibly, but it would involve making sure I knew every single file the nvidia driver needed - do you think they've got that documented anywhere public?

Do ANY graphics card vendors offer painless 3-D support that doesn't require you to recompile the kernel? AFAIK, if you want to use your 3-D accelerator, your only choice these days is to recompile your kernel. I don't think that any graphics vendor has supplied open drivers that can be included with a standard Linux distro.

Define painless. In 32bit systems I'm quite happy both with Matrox' and Radeon's open source drivers. The Radeon isn't quite as fast as it could have been, but this isn't a problem in my work environment. I very rarely need to build my own kernel, unless I'm doing something really experimental. SuSE's rpms are quite adequate. Except where closed-source (or brand new) kernel modules are involved, in which case I build the single kernel module, not the whole kernel.

In my experience, Radeon cards barely work without their special driver. I mean, I don't get 1280x1024 with 24-bit color.

What sort of Radeon card is that, on what distro version? Never had a problem, except with the very newest cards, and that usually resolves itself through tricks of the trade. One thing I like about the Radeon close-source driver is that it doesn't seem to have a kernel module. Thus it keeps on working independent of kernel upgrades, which is Very Good(tm). Bjørn -- Bjørn Tore Sund Phone: (+47) 555-84894 Stupidity is like a System administrator Fax: (+47) 555-89672 fractal; universal and Math. Department Mobile: (+47) 918 68075 infinitely repetitive. University of Bergen VIP: 81724 Support: system@mi.uib.no Contact: teknisk@mi.uib.no Direct: bjornts@mi.uib.no

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On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Bob Fischer wrote:

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I already asked ATI two months ago about 64bit drivers. I was not deemed worthy to receive an answer. However, I agree with other posters of this thread: The more people ask for this drivers the better. Myself, I did the logical thing. I bought an Nvidia 5900XT instead :-) Nvidia supports Linux nicely and we can vote with our wallet...

I had the same experience as well. NVidia makes great cards, why worry about Radeon?

In my case, I'm stuck with the Radeon 9600, I have a laptop! :(

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