would like to replace a 4 year old Sony VAIO with a an AMD64 laptop. What experience is there ? What works? I looked at the AcerFerrari 3400 which looks good, except for the broadcom networking (both the 10/100/1000 RJ45 and the wireless are broadcom ) which I hear doesn't work well with OpenBSD. How does this work on linux?? I can also look at a more customised system below Both laptops are based on: VIA K8T800+VT8235CE chipset: Should I comnsider any other lamd64 laptops? The laptop will be a dual boot OpenBSD 3.6 / Suse Linux 9.1 (and hopefully no windows) Customised solution: EUROCOM D400K PYTHON Summary Base System 15-inch XGA (1024-by-768 pixels) Wireless WLAN 802.11b/g WLAN; internal miniPCI; Intel® PRO Wireless 2200 Processor 3200+ AMD Athlon64 Mobile; 62W; 754-pin; 1MB cache Memory 1024MB (2x512MB) DDR333 PC2700 200pin - 1 SODIMM Video Module 64MB ATi Mobility Radeon 9700 Hard Drive 60GB (2.5'') 7,200rpm w/8MB cache Internal Card Reader 3-in-1 Card Reader (SD/MS/MMC) Optical Drive 4x Slot Super DVD Multi Drive (DVD-RAM/+RW/-RW; CD-RW; DVD/CD-ROM) with Software or System 17-inch Wide-Screen UltraBright WSXGA+ (1680-by-1050 pixels) - EUROCOM D470K PYTHON Wireless WLAN 802.11b/g WLAN; internal miniPCI; Intel® PRO Wireless 2200 Bluetooth Module Processor 3200+ AMD Athlon64 Mobile; 62W; 754-pin; 1MB cache Memory 1GB (2x 512MB) DDR333 PC2700 200pin - 2 SODIMM Hard Drive 60GB (2.5'') 7,200rpm w/8MB cache Operating System Keyboard (Language) Keyboard - U.S. English Internal Card Reader 4-in-1 Card Reader (SD/MS/MMC/MS-Pro) Optical Drive 4x Slot Super DVD Multi Drive (DVD-RAM/+RW/-RW; CD-RW; DVD/CD-ROM) with Software -- Len Zaifman Systems Manager, Supercomputing Systems Centre for Computational Biology Hospital for Sick Children Toronto, Ont. M5G 1X8 leonardz@sickkids.ca (416)813-5513
On 7 Oct, Len Zaifman wrote:
I looked at the AcerFerrari 3400 which looks good, except for the broadcom networking (both the 10/100/1000 RJ45 and the wireless are broadcom ) which I hear doesn't work well with OpenBSD. How does this work on linux??
As long as it's the bcm570x line (which it probably is) works fine. We've got over 300 blades with dual bcm570x nics on them working 24/7. We've had more luck with the bcm5700 driver from broadcomm (which suse includes) then the OSS tg3 one. -- Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Staff Engineer-http://www.qualcomm.com Drew: "Dear pizza, I do not care, or give a wit, that you are one day old. I think you are beautiful, even when you are cold." -- Drew Cary Show.
I am using a Compaq R3000 amd64 3200+ 512mb ram 15.4 xga... OS - Suse 9.1, 32 bit for now until slightly better pcmcia support in 64bit and I don't think I can use ndiswrapper for for the broadcom wireless in 64bit. I use the wireless constantly and am using this laptop as my primary system. I still have windows beat down to a corner but maybe have to boot it for a specific need oh say once or twice a week. I do sysadmin work and web development to give you my usage level. In fact I cracked a client up just last week when I showed them a remote destop session for their windows 2000 server running on my linux laptop<G>... kinda ironic.. remote windows admin from linux.. anyways off topic. I've been running this for about 4 months now and it has been bullet proof so far. Craig Len Zaifman wrote:
would like to replace a 4 year old Sony VAIO with a an AMD64 laptop. What experience is there ? What works?
I looked at the AcerFerrari 3400 which looks good, except for the broadcom networking (both the 10/100/1000 RJ45 and the wireless are broadcom ) which I hear doesn't work well with OpenBSD. How does this work on linux??
I can also look at a more customised system below Both laptops are based on:
VIA K8T800+VT8235CE chipset:
Should I comnsider any other lamd64 laptops?
The laptop will be a dual boot
OpenBSD 3.6 / Suse Linux 9.1 (and hopefully no windows)
Customised solution:
EUROCOM D400K PYTHON
Summary Base System 15-inch XGA (1024-by-768 pixels)
Wireless WLAN 802.11b/g WLAN; internal miniPCI; Intel® PRO Wireless 2200
Processor 3200+ AMD Athlon64 Mobile; 62W; 754-pin; 1MB cache
Memory 1024MB (2x512MB) DDR333 PC2700 200pin - 1 SODIMM Video Module 64MB ATi Mobility Radeon 9700 Hard Drive 60GB (2.5'') 7,200rpm w/8MB cache
Internal Card Reader 3-in-1 Card Reader (SD/MS/MMC)
Optical Drive 4x Slot Super DVD Multi Drive (DVD-RAM/+RW/-RW; CD-RW; DVD/CD-ROM) with Software
or
System 17-inch Wide-Screen UltraBright WSXGA+ (1680-by-1050 pixels) - EUROCOM D470K PYTHON
Wireless WLAN 802.11b/g WLAN; internal miniPCI; Intel® PRO Wireless 2200 Bluetooth Module
Processor 3200+ AMD Athlon64 Mobile; 62W; 754-pin; 1MB cache Memory 1GB (2x 512MB) DDR333 PC2700 200pin - 2 SODIMM Hard Drive 60GB (2.5'') 7,200rpm w/8MB cache
Operating System
Keyboard (Language) Keyboard - U.S. English
Internal Card Reader 4-in-1 Card Reader (SD/MS/MMC/MS-Pro)
Optical Drive 4x Slot Super DVD Multi Drive (DVD-RAM/+RW/-RW; CD-RW; DVD/CD-ROM) with Software
Len Zaifman wrote:
would like to replace a 4 year old Sony VAIO with a an AMD64 laptop. What experience is there ? What works? <snip>
I am very happy with with my e-machines with a 3200+/80gb drive. Just dropped a gig board in it to accomidate my VMWare machines (only way I will run Windoze). Especially like the wide screen 1280x800, lets me look at configs side by side much better. My only problem has been the Broadcom wireless. I ended up putting a 32-bit partition that I got ndiswrapper running on. So far, that is the only program I could not get running in 64-bit. BTW, I expected it to run hot but was nicely surprised at the great cooling design that keeps it cooler than my old Athlon4 Sony. Curt Purdy CISSP, GSEC, MCSE+I, CNE, CCDA Information Security Engineer DP Solutions ---------------------------------------- If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, you will be hacked. What's more, you deserve to be hacked. -- former White House cybersecurity czar Richard Clarke
Hello Curt, which 64bit-Linux do you use ? Suse-AMD-9.0 or 9.1 ? Do you plan to switch to version 9.2 in november? Where can I get this AMD64-Notebook ? Only in the USA ? Does the PCMCIA-Slot also work ? Is it possible to use a Orinoco-WLAN-card in 64bit-Linux with free drivers ? Do you use the 32bit version of VMWare-4.5.2 or is a 64bit-VMWare allready available ? How many virtual machines are useable at the same time with 1GB RAM ? Best regards Wigbert
I am very happy with with my e-machines with a 3200+/80gb drive. Just dropped a gig board in it to accomidate my VMWare machines (only way I will run Windoze). Especially like the wide screen 1280x800, lets me look at configs side by side much better.
My only problem has been the Broadcom wireless. I ended up putting a 32-bit partition that I got ndiswrapper running on. So far, that is the only program I could not get running in 64-bit.
BTW, I expected it to run hot but was nicely surprised at the great cooling design that keeps it cooler than my old Athlon4 Sony.
Curt Purdy CISSP, GSEC, MCSE+I, CNE, CCDA Information Security Engineer DP Solutions
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If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, you will be hacked. What's more, you deserve to be hacked. -- former White House cybersecurity czar Richard Clarke
Wigbert Lindenbauer wrote:
which 64bit-Linux do you use ? Suse-AMD-9.0 or 9.1 ? Do you plan to switch to version 9.2 in november?
9.1 No need to go to 9.2 as I'm happy with 9.1 and 2.6 kernel.
Where can I get this AMD64-Notebook ? Only in the USA ?
jandr.com
Does the PCMCIA-Slot also work ? Is it possible to use a Orinoco-WLAN-card in 64bit-Linux with free drivers ?
Yes to both. Slipped in my Orinoco Gold card, brought up Yast and it sees it.
Do you use the 32bit version of VMWare-4.5.2 or is a 64bit-VMWare allready available
post 4.5.2 build 8848 is compatible 32-bit version
How many virtual machines are useable at the same time with 1GB RAM ?
Have 1.5gb and I usually run up to 3, 2 512mb windoze and 1 256mb FreeBSD leaving 256mb for SuSE. The AMD64 3200+ has no problem handling the load, never come close to full utilization. Curt Purdy CISSP, GSEC, MCSE+I, CNE, CCDA Information Security Engineer DP Solutions ---------------------------------------- If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, you will be hacked. What's more, you deserve to be hacked. -- former White House cybersecurity czar Richard Clarke
"Len Zaifman"
would like to replace a 4 year old Sony VAIO with a an AMD64 laptop. What experience is there ? What works?
I looked at the AcerFerrari 3400 which looks good, except for the broadcom networking (both the 10/100/1000 RJ45 and the wireless are broadcom ) which I hear doesn't work well with OpenBSD. How does this work on linux??
The Broadcom wlan card is not supported at all. Otherwise the AcerFerrari 3400 should work without problems, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj SUSE Linux AG, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 17:43 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
"Len Zaifman"
writes: would like to replace a 4 year old Sony VAIO with a an AMD64 laptop. What experience is there ? What works?
I looked at the AcerFerrari 3400 which looks good, except for the broadcom networking (both the 10/100/1000 RJ45 and the wireless are broadcom ) which I hear doesn't work well with OpenBSD. How does this work on linux??
The Broadcom wlan card is not supported at all.
Otherwise the AcerFerrari 3400 should work without problems,
We tested the Acer Ferrari 3200 here. It is difficult to get it working with SuSE Linux 9.1, I have a recipe to fix it however. If anyone is interested I'm happy to post it. 9.2 works out of the box. No WLAN, but NIC, BT, PCMCIA etc work well. BB
Bodo Bauer schrieb:
On Fri, 2004-10-08 at 17:43 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
"Len Zaifman"
writes: would like to replace a 4 year old Sony VAIO with a an AMD64 laptop. What experience is there ? What works?
I looked at the AcerFerrari 3400 which looks good, except for the broadcom networking (both the 10/100/1000 RJ45 and the wireless are broadcom ) which I hear doesn't work well with OpenBSD. How does this work on linux??
The Broadcom wlan card is not supported at all.
Otherwise the AcerFerrari 3400 should work without problems,
We tested the Acer Ferrari 3200 here. It is difficult to get it working with SuSE Linux 9.1, I have a recipe to fix it however. If anyone is interested I'm happy to post it. 9.2 works out of the box. No WLAN, but NIC, BT, PCMCIA etc work well.
BB
Hello Bodo, yes I am interested in the details for Suse9.1. Do you also tested the Acer1523-AMD64 notebook with Suse9.2 ? I dont like the red Ferrari outfit ! Or is there another Suse9.2-well-supported AMD64-notebook with a MOBIL version AMD64 ? Is the Netgear WG511T WLAN card (Atheros 54g) supported in Suse9.2-AMD64 ? Also with 108 Mbit/s ? Best regards Wigbert
Wigbert, On Mon, 2004-10-11 at 15:33 +0200, Wigbert Lindenbauer wrote:
Hello Bodo,
yes I am interested in the details for Suse9.1.
Here you go: SuSE Linux 9.1 Symptom: Installation is very slow and machine freezes frequently Cause: ACPI issue with ACPI and Hotplug Solution: The easy solution is: * Do a regular installation, but use 'acpi=off' as boot parameter * Do a YOU update to get kernel2.6.5-7.95 or better * add 'yenta_socket' to '/etc/hotplug/blacklist' * Disable PCMCIA by running 'insserv -r pcmcia' * Remove 'acpi=off' from boot parameters (either with YaST, or by editing '/boot/grub/menu.lst' This will get you a working installation. However PCMCIA wont work this way. To get PCMCIA working you can either start the PCMCIA subsystem manually (rcpcmcia start) every time you need it, or ensure it's started last during the boot procedure by performing these additional steps: * Remove '+pcmcia' from the line starting with '$network' in '/etc/insserv.conf' * Remove 'coldplug' from line starting with 'X-UnitedLinux-Should-Start:' in '/etc/init.d/pcmcia' * add 'splash_late' to line starting with 'Required-Start:' in '/etc/init.d/pcmcia' * Remove 'pcmcia' from line starting with 'Should-Start:' in '/etc/init.d/network' * Run: 'insserv pcmcia ; insserv' After a reboot everything should work fine, including PCMCIA. That did it for me...
Do you also tested the Acer1523-AMD64 notebook with Suse9.2 ? I dont like the red Ferrari outfit !
No that I'm aware of.
Or is there another Suse9.2-well-supported AMD64-notebook with a MOBIL version AMD64 ?
Well, there is the Fujitsu Siemens Amilo A 1630. It has a semi supported WLAN card (RT2500, see http://www.bb-zone.com/misc/rt2500). We also tested the ASUS L5000D, HP/Compaq Presario R3000 and the Arima W730. All of those should work well with SL92.
Is the Netgear WG511T WLAN card (Atheros 54g) supported in Suse9.2-AMD64 ? Also with 108 Mbit/s ?
Actually, I don't know. none of the machines we tested had one of these build in and I don't have a PCMCIA version of this chipset. But I doubt it'll work. IIRC, even the Atheros driver has a binary only part which is available for 32bit only. BB
On Monday 11 October 2004 11:04, Bodo Bauer wrote: [snip]
We also tested the ASUS L5000D, HP/Compaq Presario R3000 and the Arima W730. All of those should work well with SL92.
I have a Compaq R3000, and it has a Broadcom 802.11 b/g chipset. I thought Broadcom chipsets weren't supported, at least not natively. Every solution I've seen involved the use of ndiswrapper, and that precludes the use of 64-bit linux. Am I wrong? If so, I'd love to hear it! :-) I've been dying to get 64-bit Linux installed on it, but I've avoided the issue due to lack of WLAN support for Broadcom chipsets. -John
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 07:21:37AM -0400, John Szakmeister wrote:
On Monday 11 October 2004 11:04, Bodo Bauer wrote: [snip]
We also tested the ASUS L5000D, HP/Compaq Presario R3000 and the Arima W730. All of those should work well with SL92.
I have a Compaq R3000, and it has a Broadcom 802.11 b/g chipset. I thought Broadcom chipsets weren't supported, at least not natively. Every solution I've seen involved the use of ndiswrapper, and that precludes the use of 64-bit linux. Am I wrong? If so, I'd love to hear it! :-) I've been dying to get 64-bit Linux installed on it, but I've avoided the issue due to lack of WLAN support for Broadcom chipsets.
One way to get wireless under 64bit is to buy a Cardbus card with a supported chipset and use that instead of the builtin. -Andi
Andi Kleen schrieb:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 07:21:37AM -0400, John Szakmeister wrote:
On Monday 11 October 2004 11:04, Bodo Bauer wrote: [snip]
We also tested the ASUS L5000D, HP/Compaq Presario R3000 and the Arima W730. All of those should work well with SL92.
I have a Compaq R3000, and it has a Broadcom 802.11 b/g chipset. I thought Broadcom chipsets weren't supported, at least not natively. Every solution I've seen involved the use of ndiswrapper, and that precludes the use of 64-bit linux. Am I wrong? If so, I'd love to hear it! :-) I've been dying to get 64-bit Linux installed on it, but I've avoided the issue due to lack of WLAN support for Broadcom chipsets.
One way to get wireless under 64bit is to buy a Cardbus card with a supported chipset and use that instead of the builtin.
-Andi
Hello Andi, is the PC Card Netgear WG511T supported in 64bit Suse9.2 ? It has an atheros chip. Is turbo-g / 108Mbits also possible with 64bit-Linux ? Best regards Wigbert
Andi Kleen wrote:
One way to get wireless under 64bit is to buy a Cardbus card with a supported chipset and use that instead of the builtin.
That is what I have done with the Proxim Gold a/b/g card. SuSE recognized it immediately. I have a little trouble understanding Broadcom's hype about 95% of all new laptops supporting their chip and having so little support in anything but windoze. Curt Purdy CISSP, GSEC, MCSE+I, CNE, CCDA Information Security Engineer DP Solutions ----------------------------- If you spend more on coffee than on IT security, you will be hacked. What's more, you deserve to be hacked. -- former White House cybersecurity zar Richard Clarke
Im using 9.1 on a Compaq Presario r3000 and it worked fine. Just of course the brodcom chip built-in. Trying to get a wireless-cardbus working but Im going to wait for 9.2 with that one. -- - Miguel radioact1ve@gmail.com http://radioact1ve.blogspot.com/
On 20 Oct, Curt Purdy wrote:
That is what I have done with the Proxim Gold a/b/g card. SuSE recognized it immediately. I have a little trouble understanding Broadcom's hype about 95% of all new laptops supporting their chip and having so little support in anything but windoze.
I find it confusing that linux support for their wireless chips is so bad at all. I mean, their onboard chipsets (at least the bcm57xx series) is well supported, and they have fairly frequent updates of their own linux driver available on their site. That they're doing so well on the wired side, and so bad on the wireless side is just odd. -- Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Staff Engineer-http://www.qualcomm.com Apu: "Hey. Hey! Hey! I have asked you nicely not to mangle my merchandise. You leave me no choice but to...ask you nicely again." ==> Simpsons
On Wed, Oct 20, 2004 at 01:55:32PM -0700, mmarion@qualcomm.com wrote:
On 20 Oct, Curt Purdy wrote:
That is what I have done with the Proxim Gold a/b/g card. SuSE recognized it immediately. I have a little trouble understanding Broadcom's hype about 95% of all new laptops supporting their chip and having so little support in anything but windoze.
I find it confusing that linux support for their wireless chips is so bad at all. I mean, their onboard chipsets (at least the bcm57xx series) is well supported, and they have fairly frequent updates of their own linux driver available on their site. That they're doing so well on the wired side, and so bad on the wireless side is just odd.
The wired support was quite painful too. There is a GPLed driver from BCM for 57xx (bcm57xx), but it was originally quite buggy. Then some Linux people rewrote it to conform more to Linux standards (tg3), but Broadcom originally didn't give them the chip documentation so they had to only base it on the broadcom driver. Later after they long had their driver working and it was used in production broadcom finally gave them some documentation. The wireless group isn't even that far yet and they only give out binaries and no documentation of course. That is why there is no 64bit driver for this chipset. -Andi
On Tuesday 19 October 2004 10:01, Andi Kleen wrote:
On Tue, Oct 19, 2004 at 07:21:37AM -0400, John Szakmeister wrote:
On Monday 11 October 2004 11:04, Bodo Bauer wrote: [snip]
We also tested the ASUS L5000D, HP/Compaq Presario R3000 and the Arima W730. All of those should work well with SL92.
I have a Compaq R3000, and it has a Broadcom 802.11 b/g chipset. I thought Broadcom chipsets weren't supported, at least not natively. Every solution I've seen involved the use of ndiswrapper, and that precludes the use of 64-bit linux. Am I wrong? If so, I'd love to hear it! :-) I've been dying to get 64-bit Linux installed on it, but I've avoided the issue due to lack of WLAN support for Broadcom chipsets.
One way to get wireless under 64bit is to buy a Cardbus card with a supported chipset and use that instead of the builtin.
I didn't buy a $2000 laptop with builtin wireless to go out and buy cardbus card that hangs out the side of my computer. :-) -John
On Thursday 21 October 2004 04:38, John Szakmeister wrote:
I didn't buy a $2000 laptop with builtin wireless to go out and buy cardbus card that hangs out the side of my computer. :-)
Then your only chance is to help this project: http://linux-bcom4301.sf.net Oleg.
participants (11)
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Andi Kleen
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Andreas Jaeger
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Bodo Bauer
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Craig Weaver
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Curt Purdy
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John Szakmeister
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Len Zaifman
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mmarion@qualcomm.com
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Oleg Gusev
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radioact1ve
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wlindenbauer@t-online.de