Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (1555 mails)

["David C. Rankin" <drankinatty@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dan Goodman wrote:
> David C. Rankin wrote:
> > peter nikolic wrote:
> >   
> > > On Saturday 04 April 2009, David C. Rankin wrote:
> > >     
> > > > Dave Plater wrote:
> > > >       
> > > > > > From this I think we can conclude that the new driver doesn't work with
> > > > >
> > > > > 11.1 and Peter should either use the older driver you mentioned above or
> > > > > as he mentioned in one of his posts, get an nvidia card.
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Dave P
> > > > >         
> > > > Dave,
> > > >
> > > >    That's sort of a 'wicky sticket' since Peter is running 11.1. Nothing
> > > > released prior to December '08 will even run on 11.1... The proverbial rock
> > > > and a hard place...
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
> > > > Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
> > > > 510 Ochiltree Street
> > > > Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
> > > > Telephone: (936) 715-9333
> > > > Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
> > > > www.rankinlawfirm.com
> > > >       
> > > Well i have all but give up on the festering infestation that is ATI , 
> > > Unfortunatley i can not afford to change the Laptop at the moment and doubt 
> > > i 
> > > will be able to for some time (disabled  so funds ar scarce althou i do get 
> > > a 
> > > bit now and then but even that goes on gas and electric )
> > >
> > > But you can be dambed sure when i do replace it ATI will not even get 
> > > within a 
> > > mile of the list of machines to look at  .
> > >
> > > It is just a crying pity that AMD bought into such a heap of pure crap as 
> > > ATI 
> > > had they gotten Nvidia we would be ok  but ATI has always been suspect to 
> > > say 
> > > the least well now we got the proof  no support from them AT ALL  typical   
> > > well all i can say is lets hope windows 7 goes tits up then there main 
> > > source 
> > > of income has gone then they GOT to start getting real .
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers all   fior trying to assist  roll o9n the day i can afford a new 
> > > lappy   
> > > Nvidia rules .
> > >
> > >
> > > Pete .
> > >
> > >
> > >     
> > Pete,
> >
> >      If I was in your situation (Well, I sort of am, I have 2 laptops with 
> > ATI
> > chipsets: a 9600 and X1300), I would downgrade to 11.0 (or I would just 
> > spring
> > for the $50 new laptop hard drive and load 11.0). Then I would download the 
> > 8-9
> > driver from the prior releases page at the ati site:
> >
> > http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/previous/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx
> >
> >      Then follow the install instructions. Both laptops I have do 
> > wonderfully with
> > the 8-9 driver, 100% stable, handle compiz with no problems, and have the 
> > best
> > performance of any ATI driver I have ever loaded.
> >
> >      As I mentioned in my prior post, the 11.1 folks are just out of luck if 
> > they
> > have ATI driver problems because *nothing* prior to the 8-12 driver will even
> > install on 11.1.
> >
> >      Good luck, and I concur. No laptop or desktop I purchase will ever have 
> > ATI in
> > it again. Pitty really, ATI did put out some really good stuff. The 9800 
> > series
> > and X850 All in Wonder cards were screamers. Too bad all Linux support for 
> > the
> > cards is now dropped by ATI.
> >
> >      It really leaves you scratching your head as to why a graphics card 
> > company
> > would intentionally alienate a segment of its user base, especially in this
> > economy. NVidia, at least has the corporate common sense to provide a legacy
> > driver that works quite well.
> >
> >   
>
> Well, ATI lost me years ago (think Gateway AT era), when they posted
> competitive numbers for their newest and fastest card, which I spec'ed
> in my purchase. But the driver was always unstable. When I upgraded the
> driver and clocked the performance, the new driver had simply stepped
> down the speed to half of what it had in the first (and benchmarked in
> PC Mag) driver.
>
> And I have watched (but never more directly participated) in their
> treatment of their customers.
>
> Caveat emptor.
>
> Dan G.

Amen,

        Let's all pray (and lend a hand) to Matthias, Rafal, Alex and the rest 
of the
guys doing great work with the radeonhd project to develop a viable open Source
alternative to the fglrx driver. The project can use all the testing and
involvement we can give. OpenSuSE, thankfully, is quite supportive of the
project. The mailing list is: radeonhd@xxxxxxxxxxxx

        I would recommend that anybody caught in this ATI created fiasco test 
and/or
use the latest radeonhd snapshot by downloading the radeonhd driver from the
radeonhd git repository and then compiling drm/mesa and the radeonhd driver on
you own system. There have been several code changes in the power handling
parts of the driver in the past couple of weeks that improve power control that
is crucial for laptops. See:

        radeonhd page

http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd

        git repository install

http://www.x.org/wiki/radeonhd%3AINSTALL

        The more people that can contribute by testing and providing feedback 
to the
developers - the sooner we will have a good open-source driver for the hundreds
of thousands if not millions of laptops with ATI abandoned hardware.

-- 
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
Rankin Law Firm, PLLC
510 Ochiltree Street
Nacogdoches, Texas 75961
Telephone: (936) 715-9333
Facsimile: (936) 715-9339
www.rankinlawfirm.com
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