Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (1468 mails)

[Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 01:17 -0400, Larry Stotler wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Adam Tauno WIlliams
> <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > This is a false distinction - the world is not divided into
> > "programmers" and "not programmers".  There are many ways those not
> > versed in code can help - in ways that cause bugs to get closed faster,
> > and then someone comes around to 'your' bug sooner.
> Yep, I beta tested, reported problems, and when I disagreed with the
> direction of openSUSE, I was basically told to go away by a small
> minority because I didn't agree with their "vision".

Okay,  again as someone who has worked with/in Open Source projects - a
project has to choose a vision / goals / etc...  and then it has to
pursue them.  Some people won't agree with those choices.  The video at
<http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4216011961522818645&q=google
+tech+talks+subversion> does a very good job of covering this,  I
recommend it to lots of people.

> > As a bug keeper for an Open Source project I can tell you that they
> > almost certainly have bugs of their own and are very much aware of the
> > looming mountain that is Bugzilla.  The attitude of
> > my-bugs-don't-get-fixed-so-I'm-going-home is not helpful, to yourself or
> > anyone else.
> People are concerned about what affects them directly.  It's a fact of life.

Fortunately for us all (and civilization) this is not true of a very
large number of people.

> > And "more than 70 bugs"??!  Hah, I'd love to be him!  You'll find the
> > same, and much worse, in any in-house/proprietary bug tracking system.
> > Bugs are many, workers are few.
> > So you'd assign them to who?  Remeber that bugs are not exclusively
> > available to the person to whom they are assigned.
> > Resources are constrained - that is why there is a thing called an
> > "economy". :)
> Then maybe it's time to re-evaluate what the project is and where it
> is going.  Projects that get too big don't die, they get pushed away
> by the next big thing.  That's how uBuntu has become big.  SuSE used
> to be the distro everyone watched.  Now it's second to uBuntu.  What
> happens when the next big thing comes along and openSUSE is pushed
> even further out?

There is space enough for everyone to survive quite comfortably; and
with many bugs it is a case of rising-tide-lifts-all-ships.

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