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Re: [opensuse] Who is using Gnome?
- From: Larry Stotler <larrystotler@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2009 13:51:59 -0500
- Message-id: <9bb996600902021051t50865920y20f6b8c29239a8ac@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 7:40 AM, Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@xxxxxxx> wrote:
No, there was no default in 11.0. However, KDE4 was "higher" on the
list then KDE3, and since it said 4 and 4 is bigger than 3, some
people thought that it meant it was better and ignored the
descriptions. Also, there were only "official" livecds with KDE4(and
gnome). And, a lot of the ones on this list who had already updated
the 11.0's KDE to 4.1.x that talked about all the fixes forgot about
all the end users who had no idea how to setup the build service or
any clue it was even there. The users on this list aren't the only
ones who use openSUSE.
Further, at no time did I mention "force". The OP said:
Therefore, it wasn't about being "forced" to use it, it was about
being "forced" to learn how to "use it". I pointed out that even
Linus, who has bashed Gnome in the past, has decided it's better than
KDE4.x. Me? I'll just stick with 11.0/KDE3.
While you and others seem to love KDE4, it's not been so universally
accepted by everyone.
I asked that 11.1 be delayed for 4.2, and was told no. Now, 11.2 is
projected to be delayed for 4.3. If 11.1 had been on an 8 month
cycle, 4.2 could have been in it and 4.3 would have been ontrack for
11.2 Unless 4.2 is pushed out as an update for the main system, then
we can't just talk about how 4.2 is better or how KDE4 is better and
only refer to the newer parts. Many people are still using the 4.1.x
in 11.1 and will probably continue to do so.
Further, as I have repeatedly said, where is the compelling reason to
use KDE4? I installed 11.1/KDE4 on a system and when I tried to make
the desktop folder the size of the desktop, after logging out and back
in, I no longer had anything on the desktop. I PREFER to have icons
on my desktop. I could care less about having different wallpapers on
different virtual dkestops because I don't use it. But, for each
person who likes the bling of KDE4, there is a KDE3 person that
liked/used the things that KDE4 dropped and/or didn't bother to add.
KDE4 isn't faster(it was slower on my desktop), it didn't use less
RAM(which I proved a long time ago).
And, the comparisons to KDE1/2 and KDE2/3 aren't moot because those
changeovers weren't radical like KDE4. I can sit down and use KDE1,
KDE2, and KDE3 easily(I have SuSE 7.3 installed on a powerbook and a
thinkpad right now and could pull SuSE 5.3 out of mothballs for KDE1
anytime I want). KDE4 is baffling and overly complex, which is what
they claimed they were trying to aviod!
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Really?, if I remember correctly, 11.0 defaulted to 3.5, so no forcing. 11.1
provides KDE3 alongside KDE4 so no forcing either, apart from the fact that
4.*0* was only part of 11.0, yet even 4.1 was not forced on anyone using
openSUSE and not fedora.
No, there was no default in 11.0. However, KDE4 was "higher" on the
list then KDE3, and since it said 4 and 4 is bigger than 3, some
people thought that it meant it was better and ignored the
descriptions. Also, there were only "official" livecds with KDE4(and
gnome). And, a lot of the ones on this list who had already updated
the 11.0's KDE to 4.1.x that talked about all the fixes forgot about
all the end users who had no idea how to setup the build service or
any clue it was even there. The users on this list aren't the only
ones who use openSUSE.
Further, at no time did I mention "force". The OP said:
For me, KDE4 looks to be not worth the learning curve. Since KDE4 forces me to
learn *something* new and less usable than KDE3 it seems worth considering
Gnome.
Therefore, it wasn't about being "forced" to use it, it was about
being "forced" to learn how to "use it". I pointed out that even
Linus, who has bashed Gnome in the past, has decided it's better than
KDE4.x. Me? I'll just stick with 11.0/KDE3.
While you and others seem to love KDE4, it's not been so universally
accepted by everyone.
I asked that 11.1 be delayed for 4.2, and was told no. Now, 11.2 is
projected to be delayed for 4.3. If 11.1 had been on an 8 month
cycle, 4.2 could have been in it and 4.3 would have been ontrack for
11.2 Unless 4.2 is pushed out as an update for the main system, then
we can't just talk about how 4.2 is better or how KDE4 is better and
only refer to the newer parts. Many people are still using the 4.1.x
in 11.1 and will probably continue to do so.
Further, as I have repeatedly said, where is the compelling reason to
use KDE4? I installed 11.1/KDE4 on a system and when I tried to make
the desktop folder the size of the desktop, after logging out and back
in, I no longer had anything on the desktop. I PREFER to have icons
on my desktop. I could care less about having different wallpapers on
different virtual dkestops because I don't use it. But, for each
person who likes the bling of KDE4, there is a KDE3 person that
liked/used the things that KDE4 dropped and/or didn't bother to add.
KDE4 isn't faster(it was slower on my desktop), it didn't use less
RAM(which I proved a long time ago).
And, the comparisons to KDE1/2 and KDE2/3 aren't moot because those
changeovers weren't radical like KDE4. I can sit down and use KDE1,
KDE2, and KDE3 easily(I have SuSE 7.3 installed on a powerbook and a
thinkpad right now and could pull SuSE 5.3 out of mothballs for KDE1
anytime I want). KDE4 is baffling and overly complex, which is what
they claimed they were trying to aviod!
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