Mailinglist Archive: opensuse (1804 mails)

[Andreas Jaeger <aj@xxxxxxx>]

"Larry Stotler" <larrystotler@xxxxxxxxx> writes:

> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 4:23 AM, Andreas Jaeger <aj@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > A lot of issues that people complained about have been resolved, see the
> > link at the bottom of the page.  The KDE developers have indeed fixed
> > many of these.
>
> Yes, but again, in what version and the real question is what version
> of KDe4 are most people running?  How many have added the KDE4
> buildservice and updated it fully?  For those just now getting 11.0
> and seeing KDE4.04, are they going to KNOW that a lot of what they
> feel is missing has been added.  That's the problem with pushing KDE4.
>  If you are active in the community and knowledgeable enough to add
> the newest updates, then you are probably doing ok.  If you aren't,
> then you get disgusted with something that isn't up to snuff, and come
> away with a bad taste about it.

But that explains also different perspectives.  I have to judge today
what 11.1 will look like - and not what 11.0 looked like.

> > Looking at the six mentioned items most are so vague that nobody can do
> > anything with them right now, so please be really specific.
>
> That's because we were all too busy arguing over it that nobody
> thought to do something constructive to try to get things to where
> some of us need it.

A lot of stuff has been done already, see the referenced page.

> To be honest, maybe there should be remasters of the KDE4 livecds from
> 11.0 that have some of the newest KDE4 builds.  Yes, it means more
> work, but at least people could then take a look at the changes.  And,
> yes, Beta3 has the newest updates, but how many people want to run a
> Beta?  While it's probably stable(and I will find out if I can ever
> get a chance to run what I have downloaded.....), it's still a turn
> off to the majority.

The 11.1 beta3 comes with a LiveCD and AFAIK Stephan did a LiveCD with
KDE4.1.0 - but since then many work went into it.  I would really
suggest to use the 11.0 LiveCD - you don't have to install it ;)

> I'm not against KDE4 IF it can deliver.  So far, it hasn't, but I'm
> basing it on my experiences(and limited ones) on older
> versions....KDE3 just works for me(other than getting rid of the
> opensuse menu - talk about being like vista) with few mods.  Most of
> those are turning off eye candy amd slightly rearranging the taskbar
> to remove the extra desktops and add the hide buttons.
>
> I look at the list of "improvements" and see nothing that interests
> me.  But, that's my opinion and my prerogative.  Others obviously feel
> different.


Andreas
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