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Re: [SLE] Installing 10.2 beta 1: read this BEFORE installing
- From: Kai Ponte <kai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 21:37:06 +0000 (UTC)
- Message-id: <200611011334.39679.kai@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Wednesday 01 November 2006 11:48, Sandy Drobic wrote:
> Kai Ponte wrote:
> > And is that what is happening at Novell? Are they trying the
> > "outsourcing" joke with their executives?
> >
> > It still scares me - that the company who tried to shove Novell 4.x down
> > our collective throats after the brilliance of 3.1x - is in charge of the
> > future of SUSE.
>
> Well, Novell Netware 5.x wasn't nearly as bad as 4.x. (^-^)
I don't intend to say 4.x was "bad" or "good," just that it was not the right
product for the time. Unfortunately, whether subsequent versions of Novell
were good or bad became irrelevant due to the changing of the landscape after
Novell failed to follow up on the success of the 3.x version.
VARs like me and Consultants were faced with a simple choice with 4.x and NT.
Either install workgroup servers with NT and have the Windows 3.x/95/WFW/NTWS
and OS/2 clients auto-connect or be required to install the very expensive
(by comparison) Novell 4.x Server product and then spend time at each
workstation configuring a client software. Keep in mind, that most companies
had a mix of 386, 486 and Pentium workstations - with many different NICs. It
was just less headache to simply go with the default NetBIOS client that
shipped with WFW, 95, NTWS, or OS/2.
By the time Novell 5 came out, the world had moved on. I've never even touched
the product.
I just hope the same arrogance and short-sighted vision doesn't plague SUSE
now and in the future. I really like this software and currently advocate it
over other *nix distros. Screwing up 10.1 with the pre-release Zen updater
was somewhat forgivable because we users expected bleeding-edge product and
could fall back on SMART or APT-GET or something else. I certainly hope they
don't make such a mistake with any of the Novell Desktop products.
--
kai ponte
www.perfectreign.com
> Kai Ponte wrote:
> > And is that what is happening at Novell? Are they trying the
> > "outsourcing" joke with their executives?
> >
> > It still scares me - that the company who tried to shove Novell 4.x down
> > our collective throats after the brilliance of 3.1x - is in charge of the
> > future of SUSE.
>
> Well, Novell Netware 5.x wasn't nearly as bad as 4.x. (^-^)
I don't intend to say 4.x was "bad" or "good," just that it was not the right
product for the time. Unfortunately, whether subsequent versions of Novell
were good or bad became irrelevant due to the changing of the landscape after
Novell failed to follow up on the success of the 3.x version.
VARs like me and Consultants were faced with a simple choice with 4.x and NT.
Either install workgroup servers with NT and have the Windows 3.x/95/WFW/NTWS
and OS/2 clients auto-connect or be required to install the very expensive
(by comparison) Novell 4.x Server product and then spend time at each
workstation configuring a client software. Keep in mind, that most companies
had a mix of 386, 486 and Pentium workstations - with many different NICs. It
was just less headache to simply go with the default NetBIOS client that
shipped with WFW, 95, NTWS, or OS/2.
By the time Novell 5 came out, the world had moved on. I've never even touched
the product.
I just hope the same arrogance and short-sighted vision doesn't plague SUSE
now and in the future. I really like this software and currently advocate it
over other *nix distros. Screwing up 10.1 with the pre-release Zen updater
was somewhat forgivable because we users expected bleeding-edge product and
could fall back on SMART or APT-GET or something else. I certainly hope they
don't make such a mistake with any of the Novell Desktop products.
--
kai ponte
www.perfectreign.com
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