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Re: [opensuse-project] Time to decide: 11.4 or 12.0?
- From: "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:08:32 -0800
- Message-id: <cb4dc7c8aa75d677e9306a82a63025b4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 18:42:09 +0000, Nelson Marques <nmo.marques@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I'm not up to speed on the latest "discussions" and "debates" in the Linux
desktop arena, but I've got some pretty strong opinions about the subject.
1. First of all, on full-sized laptops and desktops, Windows still has
about 89.5% market share and MacOS X about 9.5%. *All* Linux desktops are
competing with each other for the remaining 1%!
2. On netbooks, it's anybody's guess whether Windows, ChromeOS, Meego or
one of the "netbook remixes" will dominate. I've applied for a pilot
ChromeOS Cr-48 unit as a developer, but if I don't get one, I'm planning to
make a bootable USB stick and see what it does on my laptop. I'll probably
test Meego out in a virtual machine, but I'm not planning to buy a
Meego-compatible netbook now that ChromeOS netbooks are on their way to
market. I'm guessing, since Apple doesn't do netbooks and Windows is moving
into phones and tablets, that the netbook market will be split between
ChromeOS (Google and Verizon and whatever manufacturers are in it) and
Meego (Nokia, Intel, the Linux Foundation, and probably everybody that
hates Google).
3. Desktops are about making information workers productive - period.
They're *not* about eye candy or games or media consumption. And they are
most assuredly *not* about free in either the freedom or price sense! Media
consumption is being handled very well by the iPad. Games are being handled
very well by game consoles. Remember, 99% of the information workers are
using desktops free in neither the freedom or price sense.
I use Linux desktops for one reason and one reason alone. For the kind of
information work I do, data science and algorithmic composition of music
mostly - GNU/Linux provides the largest collection of useful software. I
use Gnome 2.xx now, but in the past I've used WindowMaker and KDE 3 and KDE
4, and I've tried Enlightenment and XFCE and LXDE as well. I haven't tried
Gnome 3 or Unity or any of the other attempts at a "new! improved! Linux
desktop". And I use openSUSE because its "standard" desktops - Gnome, KDE,
XFCE, LXDE and IceWM - are better integrated with the open source browsers,
productivity suites and multimedia tools than any of the other distros.
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wrote:
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Jos Poortvliet<jospoortvliet@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:-
On Thursday 16 December 2010 18:53:14 Per Jessen wrote:
Greg KH wrote:
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 04:50:41PM +0100, Per Jessen wrote:possibly plus:
- major 3d open driver advancements
- large KDE advancements from previous releases
I'm classifying those as "possible" because I don't know if they are
significant enough to be noticed by the end-user?
Both the 3d open drivers and the KDE advancements are indeed noticable
:DIF
you use a KDE desktop with 3D effects... If not, you won't notice much
3.0,
It's not the first time you use KDE arguments. I'll recall you from
the last Marketing meeting, when you said: "KDE would never do that,
so we won't go that way" (not ipsis verbis). I'm starting to believe
that there is a conflict on interests on your side.
So that's a problem we have, we have a hard time with a lack of sync
between
KDE and GNOME and LXDE/XFCE etc here... GNOME is about to release 3.0
but we
just don't ship that. I guess our next release will ship with GNOME
Tumbleweedwill
have a newer KDE too, and other cool stuff as usual - seeing the
enthousiasm
in the project lately (resulting in new projects like Bretzn,
&
Evergreen) I expect more :D
GNOME upstream as asked kindly to distributions to unite on the
release of GNOME3. I do support this claim from the GNOME Project, as
we should provide all the support for an awesome release of
gnome-shell. Nevertheless 11.4 seems to be a GNOME2.32 distro, so I
would keep it that way.
Additionally, isn't this a bit late to take such moves when most
people are already waiting on 11.4, when some communication has been
made as 11.4. You speak so highly of marketing, then tell me, what are
the implications of such change and possible 'negative/positive'
impacts on such a change?
Maybe it's time to face openSUSE a whole and not only from the scope
of KDE (which might harm us)?
p.s. This is why I feel the whole major.minor numbering scheme for
software is broken, and just use 1 number for projects that I was/am
in charge of naming (udev, usbutils, etc.) I think it's worked out
much better that way over the long-term.
A working major.minor versioning scheme requires a purpose and active
management.
--
nelson marques
nmo.marques@xxxxxxxxx
I'm not up to speed on the latest "discussions" and "debates" in the Linux
desktop arena, but I've got some pretty strong opinions about the subject.
1. First of all, on full-sized laptops and desktops, Windows still has
about 89.5% market share and MacOS X about 9.5%. *All* Linux desktops are
competing with each other for the remaining 1%!
2. On netbooks, it's anybody's guess whether Windows, ChromeOS, Meego or
one of the "netbook remixes" will dominate. I've applied for a pilot
ChromeOS Cr-48 unit as a developer, but if I don't get one, I'm planning to
make a bootable USB stick and see what it does on my laptop. I'll probably
test Meego out in a virtual machine, but I'm not planning to buy a
Meego-compatible netbook now that ChromeOS netbooks are on their way to
market. I'm guessing, since Apple doesn't do netbooks and Windows is moving
into phones and tablets, that the netbook market will be split between
ChromeOS (Google and Verizon and whatever manufacturers are in it) and
Meego (Nokia, Intel, the Linux Foundation, and probably everybody that
hates Google).
3. Desktops are about making information workers productive - period.
They're *not* about eye candy or games or media consumption. And they are
most assuredly *not* about free in either the freedom or price sense! Media
consumption is being handled very well by the iPad. Games are being handled
very well by game consoles. Remember, 99% of the information workers are
using desktops free in neither the freedom or price sense.
I use Linux desktops for one reason and one reason alone. For the kind of
information work I do, data science and algorithmic composition of music
mostly - GNU/Linux provides the largest collection of useful software. I
use Gnome 2.xx now, but in the past I've used WindowMaker and KDE 3 and KDE
4, and I've tried Enlightenment and XFCE and LXDE as well. I haven't tried
Gnome 3 or Unity or any of the other attempts at a "new! improved! Linux
desktop". And I use openSUSE because its "standard" desktops - Gnome, KDE,
XFCE, LXDE and IceWM - are better integrated with the open source browsers,
productivity suites and multimedia tools than any of the other distros.
--
http://twitter.com/znmeb http://borasky-research.net
"A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems." -- Paul
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