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[opensuse-project] Opensuse Mailing list collection vs. lkml collection [Was: Members, application and voting]
- From: Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:12:25 -0400
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On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Jan Engelhardt <jengelh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Henne,
I don't know if you know any kernel developers, but if you do, go to
lunch with them and get them to talk about how flexible it is to have
a set of mailing lists that works the way the lkml ones do.
One simple example, let's say that during this email thread I thought
GregKH should be added to the conversation, but he's not subscribed to
this list. With the lkml model, I simply add him to the CC line and
add some introductory text just for him so he has some context. Then
he and all other participants continue the conversation by doing a
reply all and he is able to participate without even knowing that
something that concerned him was being discussed. And without having
to waste his time monitoring every mailing list which might have
discussions he might need to participate in.
The lkml list collection has been functioning this way for well over 5
years so everyone on the kernel team should know it well. (I don't
know when the started.)
That brings up another example, lets say you wanted ask that team to
discuss how the lkml lists work from there perspective. Assuming your
not subscribed, you would still just post your new topic, they would
all do a reply-all and thus you would stay in the conversation, even
though you never subscribed. And when the topic died, you would not
have to unsubscribe.
That is exactly what is expected and required it you participate in
the lkml collection of lists.
Greg
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On Tuesday 2010-06-22 17:12, Henne Vogelsang wrote:
My issue is that:
1) those lists have developed great functionality in the normal post /
reply process that does not require subscription. Thus if I am
directed to the btrfs list for a question, I can just post and not
have to subscribe.
[...] And in general how much sense does it make to post to a
mailinglist you are not subscribed to? That's like running into the
room, shouting your question/remark and then running out again
before anyone can answer/respond to you.
Your comparison to a room/IRC channel is flawed. Posting to a
non-subscribed list makes _perfect_ sense. Contrary to IRC, the
poster _does_ leave means and identity available by which replies
can be conveyed to him, and his subsequent replies be conveyed
back to the other participants. It's more like a forums.opensuse.org
and only ever looking at your own thread.
Henne,
I don't know if you know any kernel developers, but if you do, go to
lunch with them and get them to talk about how flexible it is to have
a set of mailing lists that works the way the lkml ones do.
One simple example, let's say that during this email thread I thought
GregKH should be added to the conversation, but he's not subscribed to
this list. With the lkml model, I simply add him to the CC line and
add some introductory text just for him so he has some context. Then
he and all other participants continue the conversation by doing a
reply all and he is able to participate without even knowing that
something that concerned him was being discussed. And without having
to waste his time monitoring every mailing list which might have
discussions he might need to participate in.
The lkml list collection has been functioning this way for well over 5
years so everyone on the kernel team should know it well. (I don't
know when the started.)
That brings up another example, lets say you wanted ask that team to
discuss how the lkml lists work from there perspective. Assuming your
not subscribed, you would still just post your new topic, they would
all do a reply-all and thus you would stay in the conversation, even
though you never subscribed. And when the topic died, you would not
have to unsubscribe.
After all its about
public discussion. Of course you can expect people to run after you
(a.k.a. keeping the CC list intact) but that's not really nice either.
They don't need to run, they just have to use the Reply-All
functionality of their MUA.
That is exactly what is expected and required it you participate in
the lkml collection of lists.
Greg
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