Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-project (930 mails)

[Oddball <monkey9@xxxxxx>]

Alberto Passalacqua schreef:
> 2010/6/9 Trifle Menot <triflemenot@xxxxxxxxxx>:
>   
> > You can't beat the market leader by working in a comfort zone. You must
> > take bold risks to grow grassroots support of opensuse. You need a much
> > larger population of opensuse users.  And that won't happen until Novell
> > devs shed their clique mentality and reach outside their comfort zone.
> >
> >     
>
> That's in part true that you have to go out of the comfort zone, but I
> don't see how this is related to developers being well paid. Being
> well paid to do something you like seems to me the perfect deal, and I
> really prefer to see well paid developers, than developers that have
> to deal with economic difficulties and be split between open source
> contributions and their work. Novell allowed SUSE developers to do
> this, with some compromise of course, but that's clearly something
> acceptable in the big picture. Remember one thing that you are
> forgetting: openSUSE would not exist without Novell. It is Novell that
> opened the project, and made all what we are talking about possible.
>
>   
> > Yes but Mark doesn't need board approval, he has his own money to spend.
> > It's different for a corporation, whose prime directive is profit.  How
> > can they justify it to shareholders?
> >     
>
> Mark wants profit too. He says that clearly. He just invested waiting
> to have a return, and he also fixed a date for that.
>
>   
> > Novell gave opensuse a bad reputation.  A new corporate name may help
> > change market perceptions.  It seems likely that will happen soon.
> >     
>
> Clearly we have different point of views. I think Novell made openSUSE
> possible, more open and accessible. Look at the facts for one minute
> instead than to the politics. Novell opened the whole SUSE, made YaST
> open source (it wasn't in SuSE), they offered the openSUSE
> buildservice to the community, opening it to all major distributions.
> They support, sometime alone, many open projects, and openSUSE has one
> of the best KDE and GNOME implementations of the Linux arena.
>
> The bad reputation is not that bad. It is often due to what people
> reads on certain press, but when they know the community and try the
> distribution, they often change their mind, even in comparison to
> other more popular distributions  (read ubuntu). I see that happen
> quite often.
>
> What would be useful, is to stop considering Novell as a problem, and
> start looking at it as an advantage, because that's what it is. They
> surely made a lot of mistakes, especially at the beginning, but they
> also fixed many of them during these years. If you look at openSUSE
> today, you see a well built distribution, with a good user experience,
> a good hardware support, a cool look, and a friendly approach to
> Linux. I'm not saying it's perfect, and there surely is a lot of work
> to do, but it depends more on us (community) than on Novell.
>
> To conclude, I think it is really unfair to look at Novell as a
> problem. There were communication problems at the beginning, there are
> different needs and perspectives, but it is clear things changed.
> Maybe the first required change in the community is to honestly
> acknowledge their merits, and then poke them when there is what we
> consider a problem.
>
> Best,
> A.
>   
I think this point of vieuw is correct.
The deal brought money, and the vision that SUSE is realy something that
matters...
It is easier to invest when there is money to do that...
Somtimes things that look for the worst, are for the best.

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