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Re: [opensuse-project] Development release: How to make it better, And produce an extremely usable "Boxed Release"
- From: James Tremblay aka SLEducator <fxrsliberty@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2009 01:10:14 -0500
- Message-id: <495C5E46.80301@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Rob OpenSuSE wrote:
2008/12/28 James Tremblay aka SLEducator <fxrsliberty@xxxxxxxxxxx>:Yup, and then they go get the latest "Quickbooks" .
Rob OpenSuSE wrote:
2008/12/27 James Tremblay aka SLEducator <fxrsliberty@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
Rob OpenSuSE wrote:Rather than download, it's installation usage that would be most
2008/12/24 James Tremblay aka SLEducator <fxrsliberty@xxxxxxxxxxx>:
meaningful. If you already have 8.04.1 LTS, you won't re-download it
There's an optional survey like Debian, which is the application
popularity thing. Of course there's the connections for update, which
might give usable stats.
Does that sort of user, install an OS at all? Don't they just takeAfter 7 years of XP , you would be amazed at how many people I have run into
what they get on the machine pre-installed?
that have reinstalled per the vendors request. M$ sells thousands of
copies of Vista
in a box at Staples,Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.. Who is doing those
Firstly often the vendor include a recovery partition, which puts
machine back the way it was when delivered. The Vista DVD I received,
actually would have been a preferable option, if it had had an easy
way to get the vendor driver updates, because it was sans all the
Crap-ware, with it's registration nagging, and threats made by
software vendors, who seemed to presume non-subscriber was pirate,
rather than an evaluator.
Secondly, doesn't that undermine somewhat the idea that the users
"just want stability". Frankly what I generally see, when I look at
Windows machines are ones, un-upgraded hardware, OS same as purchase
(or one installed by an 'expert' likely illegitimately), and very
frequently without the security updates, despite all the nagging.
Would be a good thing if and only if you could guarantee no more broken
"I heard they made a new release, what"Rolling Release" with software packages getting upgraded, keeping
was wrong with the old one? Can I trust it? Do we need to upgrade me?
most users on same version avoids that issue.
Doesn't simply having SUSE 12, with 12.0.0, 12.0.1, 12.1.0, 12.1.1,
12.2.1, 12.3.0 all updating themselves live to 12.3.1 (FINAL) avoid
that trust problem.
releases\ sub releases.
We both know this is impossible. Otherwise I wouldn't turn the auto
update feature on for my
customers. I would still rather have the opportunity to buy an "11
Boxed" and know that my customer
and I where going to be, from the first moment, on a platform that was
the best of the previous 18-24 months work.
While being able to count on the ability to get the packages built for
that version for longer than the service period of the distro.
The idea of then having 12 (FINAL) being the core base for SLE, whichas far as I and many others are concerned;
provides solid OS and support for years, makes sense to me; but
there's the problem of security updates. Charging for those to
non-enterprise Home user types, would probably result in low take up,
and unpatched machines, even if an Upgrade to a 13.X Release was
The 10.1 repository should still be live, for at the very least, to
service those of us who have sold the distro to SMB's and home users.
Today, If I want to set up a customer with SLED, I had better be able to
compile or install anything not on the DVD's from my own collection. How
does that help "take up"? The "11 Boxed" idea is that the system has
been optimized in preparation for SLE and the applications that are
available, be available for installation on i.e. a new machine brought
into the office or for SLE when it comes on the new laptop purchased
from Lenovo or HP. I get it that SLED is an enterprise version and
therefore I am to expect that FF still be in the 2.x versions unless the
SP updated it, I am ok with this, but I would like to see the ability to
add non-system (aka application) packages. Do these results make sense?
I can sell a $50.00 OS, NO PROBLEM, I just can't sell it if I can't
configure it with the same flexibility as when it first came out.
Community members should expect this , there have never been anythe new Installations of 11.1 have been of the "because it's there"
variety, something newer has come out, and folk don't like to be on
last years 'model'. Many are upgrading too early and being
disappointed, leading to much vocal comment in forum and email lists.
ubiquitous compatibility and this is definitely a well known fact. I
expected that when I moved to 11.1, I would be
troubleshooting. I have done and do this because I care about the future
of both Novell and openSUSE. My concern is the missing layer in the
current release model of both distro's namely, application package
availability over the service lives of both SLE and openSUSE.
A really nice Idea and I agree, but it's not really a problem in SLED,
He would even find rolling updates annoying, He wants to think less
Viruses, worms, mal-ware are all annoying; security updates are a
must, and probably the default should be to have them installed
automatically if they have not been applied within 72 hours. The
delay, permits patch updates, or recall in event of it causing trouble
of kind, that should be avoided.
updates rarely cause any issue.
So SLE does not include all the packages it might, which leads toCorrect.
installing openSUSE rpm's, which later become unsupported?
SLE comes with very little outside the distributed package set. Worse,
not to many
people care to build RPM's for it either. Even the OBS rarely has RPM's
The SLE build should not be a choice, it should be a default.
Makes sense to me, openSUSE is sponsered by Novell, so I would hope
they'd benefit from OBS. There may be a problem if software depends
on new libraries however, not sure how they handle that.
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