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Re: [opensuse-project] Prerelease Torrent files (not ISOs) for openSUSE11.1?
- From: Peter Poeml <poeml@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 15:21:10 +0100
- Message-id: <20081216142110.GP30373@xxxxxxx>
Hi,
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:25:17AM +0100, Clayton wrote:
Uhm, I'm not exactly sure which servers you refer to. While the openSUSE
website and wiki was going down for a few hours, software.opensuse.org
(the download choosing page) was available. And especially
download.opensuse.org was in a cool, smooth state _all_ the time. It has
never been under something that you remotely could call load. (Try it out
on Thursday!)
What you might have been seeing is that some mirrors where suffering
from load. They are the ones that need to do the real work. Although you
won't see this happen during the first 24 hours after release either,
because we send most requests to a commercial Content Delivery Network
during that time, which has > 30.000 servers worldwide, and chances are
very high that one of their machines is located _right_ in your ISPs
building. (My local ISP in Cologne also has a box of them.)
If you get redirected to a different mirror, you can see such problems.
This is something that doesn't affect the openSUSE servers though, and
can't be fixed by us, we can only try to make good choices in mirrors
and use mirrors that are stable & fast.
To know about mirror quality, we largely depend on your feedback. If you
see problems with mirrors please note the address you see in the browser
(or other download program) and report issues to admin at opensuse org,
or via Bugzilla, product openSUSE.org, component download
infrastructure.
Now, problems you might have seen during the _first_ week of the 11.0
release could also be attributed to a bug we had in mirror monitoring.
Our mirror monitoring had a bug that I fixed very shortly before
release, but I accidentally reverted my fix by updating the same
component on the mirror database server. This is regrettable and several
days passed until I noticed it. The result was that we sent users not
only to alive mirrors, but also to some that were dead or too slow.
So I think that you might have been affected by that.
Which would mean that it should work much better this time.
But still, please do report problems.
If you report problems, you will help many many users :-)
Hm, is the background of your idea that you want to spread the torrent
files earlier, simply to work around expected unavailability of them?
Or what's the rationale?
Well, shouldn't be needed at all.
In addition, you can easily avoid all problems, if you use a metalink
client to download. Just use a metalink client and
download.opensuse.org, and I *guarantuee* you a download which is
working, arrives correctly, and that with reasonably fast speed. You can
even combine HTTP and Torrent download with a client that supports that
simultaneously.
I have blogged about this a minute ago, so there's something to link to
and to spread the information. Read here:
http://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/12/16/best-way-to-download-opensuse/
And please pass it on!
Note that you can download .torrent files in the described way at any
time, safely, quickly. Should you need it. But a torrent-capable
Metalink client will even *use* the Torrent and download the whole thing
you are after.
And even more, you don't need to download the torrent file at all.
Thanks,
Peter
--
Contact: admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx (a.k.a. ftpadmin@xxxxxxxx)
#opensuse-mirrors on freenode.net
Info: http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure
SUSE LINUX Products GmbH
Research & Development
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 09:25:17AM +0100, Clayton wrote:
This is an extension of a tread I started over on the openSUSE user list.
When 11.0 was released, the openSUSE servers staggered a bit under the
load of so many people hammering away trying to either grab the
torrent files or download via ftp.
Uhm, I'm not exactly sure which servers you refer to. While the openSUSE
website and wiki was going down for a few hours, software.opensuse.org
(the download choosing page) was available. And especially
download.opensuse.org was in a cool, smooth state _all_ the time. It has
never been under something that you remotely could call load. (Try it out
on Thursday!)
What you might have been seeing is that some mirrors where suffering
from load. They are the ones that need to do the real work. Although you
won't see this happen during the first 24 hours after release either,
because we send most requests to a commercial Content Delivery Network
during that time, which has > 30.000 servers worldwide, and chances are
very high that one of their machines is located _right_ in your ISPs
building. (My local ISP in Cologne also has a box of them.)
If you get redirected to a different mirror, you can see such problems.
This is something that doesn't affect the openSUSE servers though, and
can't be fixed by us, we can only try to make good choices in mirrors
and use mirrors that are stable & fast.
To know about mirror quality, we largely depend on your feedback. If you
see problems with mirrors please note the address you see in the browser
(or other download program) and report issues to admin at opensuse org,
or via Bugzilla, product openSUSE.org, component download
infrastructure.
Now, problems you might have seen during the _first_ week of the 11.0
release could also be attributed to a bug we had in mirror monitoring.
Our mirror monitoring had a bug that I fixed very shortly before
release, but I accidentally reverted my fix by updating the same
component on the mirror database server. This is regrettable and several
days passed until I noticed it. The result was that we sent users not
only to alive mirrors, but also to some that were dead or too slow.
So I think that you might have been affected by that.
Which would mean that it should work much better this time.
But still, please do report problems.
If you report problems, you will help many many users :-)
The result was that a large number
of us (myself included) waited several days before we were even able
to get near the website so that we could download the torrent files
and get started with downloading/seeding.
So, my proposal is.... pre-release the Torrent files.
Pre-release ONLY the Torrent files so that those of us who will be
Torrenting openSUSE 11.1 can set up our Torrent clients and be ready
to go when 11.1 is released and the Torrent tracker is switched "on".
The advantage is that we will not need to join the queue waiting for
the website to respond, and we will be able to start helping with
distributing this release immediately.
Thoughts? Comments? Is this possible? Reasonable?
Hm, is the background of your idea that you want to spread the torrent
files earlier, simply to work around expected unavailability of them?
Or what's the rationale?
Well, shouldn't be needed at all.
In addition, you can easily avoid all problems, if you use a metalink
client to download. Just use a metalink client and
download.opensuse.org, and I *guarantuee* you a download which is
working, arrives correctly, and that with reasonably fast speed. You can
even combine HTTP and Torrent download with a client that supports that
simultaneously.
I have blogged about this a minute ago, so there's something to link to
and to spread the information. Read here:
http://lizards.opensuse.org/2008/12/16/best-way-to-download-opensuse/
And please pass it on!
Note that you can download .torrent files in the described way at any
time, safely, quickly. Should you need it. But a torrent-capable
Metalink client will even *use* the Torrent and download the whole thing
you are after.
And even more, you don't need to download the torrent file at all.
Thanks,
Peter
--
Contact: admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx (a.k.a. ftpadmin@xxxxxxxx)
#opensuse-mirrors on freenode.net
Info: http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure
SUSE LINUX Products GmbH
Research & Development
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