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Re: [opensuse-project] Feedback for openSUSE 10.2 and preparing for 10.3
- From: Thomas Hertweck <Thomas.Hertweck@xxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:37:36 +0000
- Message-id: <45B66400.4010805@xxxxxx>
Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:
> No, SLED is not an alternative, it's a product on its own and one of its main
> goals is stability. It has a much more appropriate mojo to provide that
> compared to openSUSE.
I think you have no idea what SLED is. It's tuned to desktop usage.
However, many people need more than just an office desktop client.
> Yeah it would be so fabulous if openSUSE would be
> stable and polished, have super new software and nice glitz, but it's damned
> *HARD* to achieve, technically and financially. SLED has the stability and
> polish, and reasonably new software. openSUSE has to be the "playground and
> test bed for freaks". This advances the distro.
I disagree completely. Again, you seem to have no idea of real-world
situations. Factory might be a playground and test bed, but certainly
not the release version of openSUSE, and it's good to know that Adrian
and others agree with that. I use openSUSE at home and I certainly don't
want to suffer from your proposal - my systems have to function, and if
openSUSE can't provide the necessary balance between stability and being
up-to-date, then it's gone and replaced by something that actually
works. And I know a lot of people that have already gone down that route
because of the software management problems in 10.1. Don't forget what
Pascal wrote yesterday: "Also wrt the reputation of openSUSE (which is
very important in order to get customers for SLED/SLES IMO)." This is
exactly what happened in our office at work where everything is based on
RedHat releases - we tried openSUSE (10.1) and because of many problems
we decided not to go any step further. Sorry Novell, you have lost one
possible customer there...
> What forcing? Hello! Who forced you?
If you want to have always the latest software versions in official
openSUSE releases, then you effectively force all others to also use
those possibly unstable and untested versions although they might prefer
the stable versions in pratice. It's usually not easily possible to
downgrade certain packages to get a stable release, so people are stuck.
However, on the other hand it's usually much easier to upgrade software.
As a consequence, an official openSUSE release should focus a bit more
on stability and testing than bleeding edge software and those who want
the latest and greatest can easily upgrade their systems via online
repositories. Nobody said we should create another Debian stable
release. It needs a good balance.
> Then, wrong product in the wrong place. If you want stability for production,
> SLED is the right thing to run.
Again, the only comment I can make on such statements is that you seem
to have no idea what SLED is and that your point of view is very
restricted - you seem to care only about the things that might suit your
situation. If openSUSE wants to be somewhat professional (I heard claims
that it should be considered "the best Linux distribution in the
world"), then there is no way to use official releases as playground or
test bed for possibly unstable and untested software.
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