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Re: [opensuse-project] Question on openSUSE and Novell-MS collaboration
- From: Boyd Lynn Gerber <gerberb@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 09:26:14 -0700
- Message-id: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0611080921300.22945@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
On Wed, 8 Nov 2006, Martin Schlander wrote:
> Onsdag 08 november 2006 08:49 skrev richard (MQ):
> > I think a lot of the posts on this thread rather miss the point - once
> > big business gets involved in an organisation, the *only* thing that's
> > really important to them is the bottom line. Community spirit and F/OSS
> > values count for nothing to the accountants.
>
> Of course. But it is possible that the FLOSS community and big enterprise can
> have common interests. Certainly my continued support of Novell (translation,
> beta testing, promotion, user support), is dependent on Novell's actions not
> contradicting my interests and the interests of the Linux community at large.
> And I assume this applies for many others.
>
> > My very real fear is that now, unless the OpenSuSE community can put
> > clear water between it and Novell, the developers, testers and other
> > supporters will find other distributions to work with and OpenSuSE will
> > wither. Retaining this support - and mine too, FWIW - is crucial.
> > Statements from Andreas may not be enough, however well thought through.
...
> I must say with the last FAQ, with the community questions most of my worries
> are laid to rest. The only things that now still leaves a little bad taste
> are the following, pretty intangible issues.
Same with me.
...
> 2) I don't like that Novell try to take advantage of customers being scared of
> patent litigation. The way I understand things now, Novell are indeed paying
> an innovation tax to MS, and at the same time saying: "we don't infringe
> patents now, and we won't do it in the future either." Either they're
> lying/wrong about infringing patents, or they're paying a truck load of money
> to give customers a psychological sense of security that they pretty much had
> before. Either case I'm not happy.
I see this payment as Novell paying MS for the support contracts from
their having SLE/SLED/... running on windows in virtual servers. The
results of MS promition of Linux. Maybe I am reading to much into it.
But I do understand that giving back some funds for businees is a win-win
for both.
> 3) Novell has given MS ammunition to FUD about interoperability and
> Office "Open" XML.
This is the area that concerns me the most. Given MS record for FUD I am
afraid they will use this do put down linux.
> These are things I can live with however, albeit I'm not pleased. Of course I
> have very little insight into the benefits this deal brings in enterprise
> environments. I sure hope they make up for it.
Me too.
Thanks,
--
Boyd Gerber <gerberb@xxxxxxxxx>
ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047
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> Onsdag 08 november 2006 08:49 skrev richard (MQ):
> > I think a lot of the posts on this thread rather miss the point - once
> > big business gets involved in an organisation, the *only* thing that's
> > really important to them is the bottom line. Community spirit and F/OSS
> > values count for nothing to the accountants.
>
> Of course. But it is possible that the FLOSS community and big enterprise can
> have common interests. Certainly my continued support of Novell (translation,
> beta testing, promotion, user support), is dependent on Novell's actions not
> contradicting my interests and the interests of the Linux community at large.
> And I assume this applies for many others.
>
> > My very real fear is that now, unless the OpenSuSE community can put
> > clear water between it and Novell, the developers, testers and other
> > supporters will find other distributions to work with and OpenSuSE will
> > wither. Retaining this support - and mine too, FWIW - is crucial.
> > Statements from Andreas may not be enough, however well thought through.
...
> I must say with the last FAQ, with the community questions most of my worries
> are laid to rest. The only things that now still leaves a little bad taste
> are the following, pretty intangible issues.
Same with me.
...
> 2) I don't like that Novell try to take advantage of customers being scared of
> patent litigation. The way I understand things now, Novell are indeed paying
> an innovation tax to MS, and at the same time saying: "we don't infringe
> patents now, and we won't do it in the future either." Either they're
> lying/wrong about infringing patents, or they're paying a truck load of money
> to give customers a psychological sense of security that they pretty much had
> before. Either case I'm not happy.
I see this payment as Novell paying MS for the support contracts from
their having SLE/SLED/... running on windows in virtual servers. The
results of MS promition of Linux. Maybe I am reading to much into it.
But I do understand that giving back some funds for businees is a win-win
for both.
> 3) Novell has given MS ammunition to FUD about interoperability and
> Office "Open" XML.
This is the area that concerns me the most. Given MS record for FUD I am
afraid they will use this do put down linux.
> These are things I can live with however, albeit I'm not pleased. Of course I
> have very little insight into the benefits this deal brings in enterprise
> environments. I sure hope they make up for it.
Me too.
Thanks,
--
Boyd Gerber <gerberb@xxxxxxxxx>
ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047
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