Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-kde (352 mails)

[Stephan Kulow <coolo@xxxxxxx>]

Am Freitag, 7. Oktober 2011, 20:17:58 schrieb Will Stephenson:
> On Thursday 06 Oct 2011 11:56:56 Stephan Kulow wrote:
> > But this would be a major divergence with upstream's default,
> > so I would like to discuss more widely first. What's your oppinion?
> >
> > Do you prefer virtual desktops or plasma activities?
>
> This is an oversimplified choice, since you can, if you want, use virtual
> desktops inside Activities.
>
> My opinion (slightly subject to what you actually feel are wrong with
> activities, but going with the "are annoying" you posted later in the
- they make the icons smaller
- the default is no deskto icons whatsoever
- when you try to switch to "Photo" you get two broken frames and a
  popup, which is all very confusing.

I'm not saying activities can't give people who think in activities a good
way to organize their work. What I question is if we need to force the
default user onto activities.

> thread) is that we should not go configuring upstream's flagship features
> out because Statler and Waldorf find them annoying.

That's why I raised it to wide audience and didn't create a patch.

> 1) That way lies stagnation and death - you might as well stop shipping new
> versions of KDE after 4.4, or fork the damn thing.
Sorry, but that doesn't appear right to me. KDE clearly moves towards a 
broader scope with mobile and the like, while openSUSE may not prefer
to go there by default. So I see it clearly as openSUSE's target to verify
if KDE's direction is still ours or if we need to adopt it.

> 2) This sends a terrible message to upstream that we just consider their
> features unfixably broken, when instead we should be actively working with
> them to communicate problems and suggest fixes.
As I said: if openSUSE would move 100% in the direction of where KDE is 
heading, it would be all clear. But I question that openly. It's just a config 
option after all. I never said I want to hide the feature, I just want my 
virtual desktops back per default and have a the firefox icon where it 
belongs: in full size and not as part of a "Desktop Icons" activitiy.

> 3) Upstream app authors will be coding against new features and we will get
> bug reports that people can't find the Activities switcher when they try to
> use apps which use Activities.  Don't expect them to code their apps to hide
> Activity features when the panel does not contain an activity switcher
> either. For an example, see the Activity-specific power management options
> mentioned in this screencast:
> http://drfav.wordpress.com/2011/10/04/power-management-a- new-screencast/
You're aware that you can remove the switcher easily, right? If we remove it 
or the user does, doesn't matter. there has to be a way to get it back.

> 4) Extra overhead 1: we'll have to document how we are changing upstream's
> defaults
Did we ever?

> 5) Extra overhead 2: The KDE:Release:* projects, which stick to upstream
> defaults, will have to take care that they don't inadvertently ship our
> changes.
Tss. Not a single :Release: project patched out the "show desktop", dolphin 
and firefox icon that someone added as part of "SUSE brand" in the default 
plasma config. So why start worrying now?

> So I think we should identify what's wrong with Activities and see what is
> needed to make them work first.
Read the thread.

Greetings, Stephan

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