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Re: [opensuse-factory] Package management architecture
- From: "Cristian Rodriguez R." <judas_iscariote@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2006 02:32:22 -0300
- Message-id: <45483166.4030701@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Alex wrote:
>>> With zypper (cli) and opensuse-updater (updater applet) it is
>>> within grasp to not have zmd+friends on KDE installations.
>> That would indeed be excellent news.
>
> I, too, would consider this a great idea.
Yes, this tools requires testing though, I encourage the readers of this
list to test them, I see them as the light and the end of the tunnel...
> I'm never get the ZMD stuff to work
> properly on my system (don't know if that's a zmd or zypp problem, however).
that's because it does not work properly, or if it does, it is too slow
and complex.
> But generally it's better to have a simple, robust, but especially working
> system for the package management. Nowadays it's seems there is a complex
> interaction between zmd, rug, libzypp, yast2-package-management and now the
> opensuse-updater (and all the dependancies - mono and stuff).
Yes, we need something that the vast mayority of **openSUSE**, an
**end-user** targeted distro needs.
>
> And the interaction is less than perfect -
It is a hack.
> why e.g. don't installation sources
> I add with YAST appear in rug, but if I add them with rug they don't appear
> in YAST? Is this amount of complexity really needed?
No, it is not needed, but somebody at novell thought it was needed. go
figure...
>Just consider smart,
> which - despite some other shortcomings - shows how simple package management
> could be handled, without lots of complex programs and demons interacting.
Smart has it's own sets of problems, but yes, we need "something" like
smart ( but without it's problems of course ;) )
>>> With zypper (cli) and opensuse-updater (updater applet) it is
>>> within grasp to not have zmd+friends on KDE installations.
>> That would indeed be excellent news.
>
> I, too, would consider this a great idea.
Yes, this tools requires testing though, I encourage the readers of this
list to test them, I see them as the light and the end of the tunnel...
> I'm never get the ZMD stuff to work
> properly on my system (don't know if that's a zmd or zypp problem, however).
that's because it does not work properly, or if it does, it is too slow
and complex.
> But generally it's better to have a simple, robust, but especially working
> system for the package management. Nowadays it's seems there is a complex
> interaction between zmd, rug, libzypp, yast2-package-management and now the
> opensuse-updater (and all the dependancies - mono and stuff).
Yes, we need something that the vast mayority of **openSUSE**, an
**end-user** targeted distro needs.
>
> And the interaction is less than perfect -
It is a hack.
> why e.g. don't installation sources
> I add with YAST appear in rug, but if I add them with rug they don't appear
> in YAST? Is this amount of complexity really needed?
No, it is not needed, but somebody at novell thought it was needed. go
figure...
>Just consider smart,
> which - despite some other shortcomings - shows how simple package management
> could be handled, without lots of complex programs and demons interacting.
Smart has it's own sets of problems, but yes, we need "something" like
smart ( but without it's problems of course ;) )
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