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Re: [opensuse-factory] Excess bloat must be removed!
- From: Martin Schlander <suse@xxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:33:01 +0200
- Message-id: <200608231333.02134.suse@xxxxxxxxxx>
Onsdag 23 august 2006 00:43 skrev Steve Barnhart:
> First of all having what seems to be so many different ways to manage
> packages is becomming ridiculous and I'm hoping something's going to
> be done to standardize on one. Syncronizing all of them has to be
> crazy.
I won't comment on the backend integration stuff - but as a user you have
three interfaces: YaST-qt (advanced), zen (simple) and rug (cli). Ubuntu has
more or less the same - apt-get (cli), synaptic (adavanced) and
their "add/remove software"-thingy (simple).
> and Finally, and this is my big peeve. FIX THE FREAKIN MENUS! The
> organization takes WAY too much time and maybe it won't matter if slab
> is integrated but we do not need categories and then ANOTHER category
Having two levels of categories is a must. I have ~20 Internet-apps - if they
weren't put into subcategories it would be a complete mess like most Windows
menus are. Besides if you stayed current with SUSE news you'd know that
Novell have developed the SLED gnome-main-menu thingy for people like
yourself - and the good people at SUSE are working on a similiar menu for KDE
based on usability testing and what not.
> I know 10.1 was a bad apple, but hopefully this stuff is vastly cleared up.
To my recollection the menus and amount of apps on 10.1 was exactly the same
on previous releases. None of your criticism except the package management
frontends are 10.1 specific.
Except for two webbrowsers, I don't have more than one app that does the same
thing on a standard install. And seamonkey is not installed by default.
I'd hate to see SUSE turn into Ubuntu. If Ubuntu with SUSE polish is what you
want I think you should join the Ubuntu mailinglists and suggest to them that
they polish their distro more.
I like about SUSE that functionality is a higher priority than not confusing
already confused people - which I consider an impossible task anyway.
Martin
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> First of all having what seems to be so many different ways to manage
> packages is becomming ridiculous and I'm hoping something's going to
> be done to standardize on one. Syncronizing all of them has to be
> crazy.
I won't comment on the backend integration stuff - but as a user you have
three interfaces: YaST-qt (advanced), zen (simple) and rug (cli). Ubuntu has
more or less the same - apt-get (cli), synaptic (adavanced) and
their "add/remove software"-thingy (simple).
> and Finally, and this is my big peeve. FIX THE FREAKIN MENUS! The
> organization takes WAY too much time and maybe it won't matter if slab
> is integrated but we do not need categories and then ANOTHER category
Having two levels of categories is a must. I have ~20 Internet-apps - if they
weren't put into subcategories it would be a complete mess like most Windows
menus are. Besides if you stayed current with SUSE news you'd know that
Novell have developed the SLED gnome-main-menu thingy for people like
yourself - and the good people at SUSE are working on a similiar menu for KDE
based on usability testing and what not.
> I know 10.1 was a bad apple, but hopefully this stuff is vastly cleared up.
To my recollection the menus and amount of apps on 10.1 was exactly the same
on previous releases. None of your criticism except the package management
frontends are 10.1 specific.
Except for two webbrowsers, I don't have more than one app that does the same
thing on a standard install. And seamonkey is not installed by default.
I'd hate to see SUSE turn into Ubuntu. If Ubuntu with SUSE polish is what you
want I think you should join the Ubuntu mailinglists and suggest to them that
they polish their distro more.
I like about SUSE that functionality is a higher priority than not confusing
already confused people - which I consider an impossible task anyway.
Martin
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