Mailinglist Archive: opensuse-factory (599 mails)

[Christian Boltz <opensuse@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hello,

Am Freitag, 18. August 2006 16:26 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
> Christian Boltz <opensuse@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> > Am Donnerstag, 17. August 2006 17:57 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
> >> Christian Boltz <opensuse@xxxxxxxxx> writes:
> >> > BTW: Thanks for the (probably not intentional) reminder to
> >> > propose a better handling for the wishlists. IMHO it's just
> >> > painful to use the wiki for this...
> >>
> >> Yes, I know, we're looking into alternatives already,
> >
> > I'm glad to hear this :-)
> >
> > I hope the search for alternatives will be done in the public - the
> > community has to use it [1], so you should involve us before any
> > decision is taken.
> >
> > [1] I don't know about the SUSE internals, but I guess you don't
> > need to add a wishlist entry if you want a package or feature ;-)
>
> You have to - we have our own tool for this called FATE:
>
>http://programm.froscon.de/attachments/41-SuseFeatureManagement_Froscon.pdf#search=%22fate%20feature%20tracking%22

Interesting presentation. At least I now know what that ominously FATE, 
mentioned in bugzilla comments from time to time, is ;-)

> And most internal stuff goes through FATE.
>
> Sorry, I don't want another tool/method for adding features, instead
> just use one - and hope this works out for all of us.  

As far as I can see from the presentation, chances for this are good ;-)

Let me try to summarize the differences compared to bugzilla - I hope 
this will help to understand the tool better: (please correct me if I'm 
wrong on some points)
- a request can have multiple categories; categories can be (in bugzilla 
  terms) a "product" or a "component", maybe (?) also other usage is 
  possible [1]
- it's XML based internally, including XQuery etc. [2]
- it supports rich text (HTML-like) in comments [3]
- it's possible to compare multiple revisions of a request - this 
  implies that the request text can be changed (instead of just adding 
  comments as in bugzilla)
- two web interfaces (one with full, one with restricted view) and KDE 
  client available

In general, it looks like FATE mixes the best things of bugzilla and a 
wiki - sounds promising. (Is there a demo installation somewhere to 
test it?)

> The question  is how to "open" FATE in such a way that all of us can 
> use it, it was not designed for such a large group... 

Where do you see a problem? Server load? Permission handling? ...?

Maybe you can provide read-only access as a first step...


Regards,

Christian Boltz

[1] Sometimes this could be useful in bugzilla product / component 
    also ;-)

[2] There's no problem with this as long I don't have to write XSLT
    files for it *g*
    However, I'm not sure about the performance when compared with a
    database.

[3] not sure if I really need this ;-)

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