On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 23:21 +0000, Robert Webb wrote:

The tab key, or "ALT + TAB" is supposed to delete an email?!

No, I am letting you know what keys are not working to see if it could be a keyboard layout problem in KDE's control panel or something else? I just bought this keyboard last week. All of the other keys are working fine. ================= Thanks, Chris Please send all off list emails to Chris@CWM030.com

On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 23:26 +0000, Robert Webb wrote:

During installation, did you test all the keys for printable characters in the test box on the keyboard selection screen?

no. Ans -- ================= Thanks, Chris Please send all off list emails to Chris@CWM030.com

On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 23:34 +0000, Robert Webb wrote:

There is probably some simple way to test your keyboard mapping now, but I don't know it. -- Robert Webb

There is.... I tried running sudo showkey and when you hit the tab key, nothing is generated in the terminal to show that I hit that exact key. ================= Thanks, Chris Please send all off list emails to Chris@CWM030.com

On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 18:30 -0500, c. marlow wrote:

On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 23:26 +0000, Robert Webb wrote:

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During installation, did you test all the keys for printable characters in the test box on the keyboard selection screen?

no.

Ans

arggg! part of my reply got cut off... "ans" was supposed to of said And, I am getting double copies of your emails. I am not sure if this is an AOL issue ( since Verizon email is owned by AOL now). Or if this is a Evolution problem? -- ================= Thanks, Chris Please send all off list emails to Chris@CWM030.com

On Jul 25, 2022, at 7:35 PM, c. marlow wrote:

On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 18:30 -0500, c. marlow wrote:

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On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 23:26 +0000, Robert Webb wrote: During installation, did you test all the keys for printable characters in the test box on the keyboard selection screen?

no.

Ans

arggg! part of my reply got cut off...

"ans" was supposed to of said

And, I am getting double copies of your emails. I am not sure if this is an AOL issue ( since Verizon email is owned by AOL now). Or if this is a Evolution problem?

No. The person answering you response is using “reply-all” which sends a copy to you AND the list which results in you getting a copy from the list and another copy sent direct to your personal email address. Ken

On Mon, 2022-07-25 at 23:47 +0000, kschneider bout-tyme.net wrote:

No. The person answering you response is using “reply-all” which sends a copy to you AND the list which results in you getting a copy from the list and another copy sent direct to your personal email address. Ken

ahh, If I accidently hit reply in Evolution, It pops up a reminder: " Do you wish to reply privately, reply all, or reply to list?" ================= Thanks, Chris Please send all off list emails to Chris@CWM030.com

I stated the wrong reason for replies not being addressed correctly to the list.  No list mails are 'From:' the list, so a regular reply would normally *not* go to list.  In this case, the list should put a 'Reply-To: [list address]', but it doesn't.  How does it work for everyone else?  I'm using AOL webmail, so I don't expect it to work right. -- Robert Webb On Monday, July 25, 2022, 04:49:59 PM PDT, Robert Webb wrote: No, not your problem.  I failed to remove your address from the 'To:' list.  For these list mails, I generally reply-to-all, and then remove the personal address from the list because some mails are sent to the list with the list address in the 'Cc:' line, so a regular reply would go somewhere else, but not to the list. -- Robert Webb On Monday, July 25, 2022, 04:35:30 PM PDT, c. marlow wrote: And, I am getting double copies of your emails. I am not sure if this is an AOL issue ( since Verizon email is owned by AOL now). Or if this is a Evolution problem?

On 26/07/2022 02.32, Robert Webb wrote:

I stated the wrong reason for replies not being addressed correctly to the list.  No list mails are 'From:' the list, so a regular reply would normally *not* go to list.  In this case, the list should put a 'Reply-To: [list address]', but it doesn't.  How does it work for everyone else?  I'm using AOL webmail, so I don't expect it to work right.

Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2013 10:43:10 +0000 From: opensuse+owner@opensuse.org To: robin.listas@... Subject: FAQ - Frequently asked questions of the opensuse@opensuse.org list. Q1. Why do my replies go to the original poster and not the list? A1. We do not "munge" the mail headers by inserting a "Reply-To: opensuse@opensuse.org" because it makes it more difficult subscribers to handle the mail the way they want to. Your mail client probably has a "reply" function as well as a "reply to all" or "reply to list" one; Please use the latter if you want you message to go to the list and not just to the original poster. Also, please don't complain about this on the list, it has been discussed many, many, many times in the past already. For background information see e.g. http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html I had somewhere an identical answer a decade older, but not in this laptop :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from openSUSE 15.3 (Legolas))

On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 06:01:36 -0500 "c. marlow" wrote:

Morning folks,

I just changed my keyboard to generic 105 key keyboard... And I still have no tab function.

I am stumped.

So you have two keyboards and they both show the same symptoms? And those symptoms were first noticed in Evolution but actually apply uniformly everywhere and are easy to reproduce using showkey? You haven't said what version of openSUSE you are using, or what your hardware is but this sounds like either a hardware problem or a hardware-related one (i.e. driver). So details of exactly what you are using would be helpful. especially the exact name of the kernel uname -a So possible things to try: - do either of the keyboards work properly when plugged into a different system? - have you rebooted your system? If not, please do so. Does it work? - have you booted your system with a different OS? Either another version of openSUSE kernel, or another Linux (perhaps on a USB stick), or even Windows. Do they work?

On Tue, 2022-07-26 at 12:31 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote:

You haven't said what version of openSUSE you are using

From the orginal email: Open Suse Tumbleweed RedDragon Keyboard model K551-KR First time SUSE user! Yes I have rebooted chris@localhost:~> uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 5.18.11-1-default #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Jul 15 05:36:11 UTC 2022 (4fcb983) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux chris@localhost:~> I just connected wirelessly a Logitech K520 and ran "showkey" in the terminal and the tab key registered on it. keycode 15 press keycode 15 release keycode 15 press keycode 15 release keycode 15 press keycode 15 release keycode 15 press keycode 15 release -- ================= Thanks, Chris Please send all off list emails to Chris@CWM030.com

On Tue, 2022-07-26 at 09:02 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* c. marlow [07-26-22 08:55]:

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On Tue, 2022-07-26 at 12:31 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote:

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You haven't said what version of openSUSE you are using

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From the orginal email:

Open Suse Tumbleweed

RedDragon Keyboard model K551-KR

First time SUSE user!

Yes I have rebooted

chris@localhost:~> uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 5.18.11-1-default #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Fri Jul 15 05:36:11 UTC 2022 (4fcb983) x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux chris@localhost:~>

I just connected wirelessly a Logitech K520 and ran "showkey" in the terminal and the tab key registered on it.

   keycode  15 press keycode  15 release         keycode  15 press keycode  15 release         keycode  15 press keycode  15 release         keycode  15 press keycode  15 release

which would indicate a faulty keyboard.  have you tried it on another linux box?

Hi, just plugged the keyboard into a Fedora 36 KDE laptop and ran sudo showkey again ( for some reason I had to run sudo or the command would not run. And I got the same results, the tab key did respond in the terminal. This is what happens if you try to run showkey without sudo chris@localhost:~> showkey Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console. chris@localhost:~> ============== Thanks, Chris Please send all off list emails to Chris@CWM030.com

On Tue, 2022-07-26 at 16:47 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

Confused. Did respond or did not? Because "did" is not the same result.

oops.... didn't.

Which means that you are not running it in the console.

I have no clue what you're talking about? I just launch "Konsole" when I need a terminal? -- ================= Thanks, Chris Please send all off list emails to Chris@CWM030.com

Konsole is not "The console". Konsole is an X terminal application. Type [ctrl][alt][f1] and log in as user. Text mode. ctrl-alt-f7 to return to graphics.

DOH! I feel dumb.. I totally forgot about ctrl alt f1. I guess I forgot about it because i've never had to do it but once or twice. And its VERY RARE that I have to do that. ================= Thanks, Chris Please send all off list emails to Chris@CWM030.com

On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 20:44:06 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

On 26/07/2022 19.46, c. marlow wrote:

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Konsole is not "The console". Konsole is an X terminal application. Type [ctrl][alt][f1] and log in as user. Text mode. ctrl-alt-f7 to return to graphics.

DOH! I feel dumb.. I totally forgot about ctrl alt f1.

I guess I forgot about it because i've never had to do it but once or twice. And its VERY RARE that I have to do that.

Well, there is where you have to test the keyboard, without all the software interference of X. That is what showkey is telling you to do.

No it isn't and no you don't. Quoting https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kbd/+bug/1006676 "Eric S. Raymond (esr-thyrsus) wrote on 2017-01-27: #6 "I am the author of showkey. "I only just became aware of this bug myself, by trying to run showkey in the terminal emulator under i3. The curious thing about it is that "Couldn't get a file descriptor referring to the console" does not occur as a string in the program source. "I think something else is emitting it, possibly the shell. When I googled to try to figure out what, I found this big thread. "The code ran fine under xfce, so there is likely some window-manager specific thing going on. "I confirm that going root works around the problem. "I think it would be annoying to force users to go root in environments where it's not necessary, so I'm going to document this as a known problem on the man page and give the workaround. "The 1,8 release has been shipped. "My apologies for not catching this sooner. It's not a program I use often." and see the following comment as well.

UPDATE: I tried what Carlos said by CTRL ALT F1 into a TTL and tried running showkey and nope the tab key still didn't work. I guess I am going to have to RMA that keyboard back to Amazon Thanks for the help! ================= Thanks, Chris Please send all off list emails to Chris@CWM030.com

On Tue, 2022-07-26 at 14:54 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote:

Not necessarily , especially if he has two keyboards that don't work. It might e.g. be a driver issue.

Chris, have you tried the other things I suggested? It would be nice if you would answer all the questions.

I thought that I did in the last email? I gave you the uname info, that I am on tumbleweed, KDE, Yes i've rebooted, Yes i've tried the keyboard on another machine. Connected another wireless keyboard to this pc the Logitech K520 and the tab key is working. I am a windowsless house so I can't try the KB on windows. Right now I am typing this email from my Logitech K520 wireless keyboard. ================= Thanks, Chris Please send all off list emails to Chris@CWM030.com

On Tue, 26 Jul 2022 09:08:11 -0500 "c. marlow" wrote:

On Tue, 2022-07-26 at 14:54 +0100, Dave Howorth wrote:

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Not necessarily , especially if he has two keyboards that don't work. It might e.g. be a driver issue.

Chris, have you tried the other things I suggested? It would be nice if you would answer all the questions.

I thought that I did in the last email?

I presume you look at your mail in a threaded view. If you look carefully at the mail sequence and compare which mail I responded to and what you had posted at that time (i.e. Patrick's post at 13:02 UTC) you will see that you had not given it all. I admit I hadn't noticed you had said tumbleweed.

I gave you the uname info, that I am on tumbleweed, KDE, Yes i've rebooted, Yes i've tried the keyboard on another machine. Connected another wireless keyboard to this pc the Logitech K520 and the tab key is working.

You have now anyway :) Mostly. That is you have not rebooted your initial machine with a different OS (older linux kernel, BSD, whatever)

I am a windowsless house so I can't try the KB on windows.

Good for you, so am I. So to summarise what I think you've said so far. You have two wired keyboards that don't work on the machine in question. At least one (both?) doesn't work on a different machine either. You have a wireless keyboard that does work on the machine in question. If both don't work then it seems you are extremely unlucky and have two faulty keyboards. Which kind of pushes Occam as far as he can be pushed. If the other does work, then we have an even more complicated situation. Do you have any wired keyboard that works on the machine in question?

Right now I am typing this email from my Logitech K520 wireless keyboard.

================= Thanks, Chris

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