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Re: ALP WG Meeting minutes - July 5th 2022
by Lubos Kocman 07 Jul '22

07 Jul '22

Hello openSUSE! I'm happy to see these discussions, and this is precisely why we need to plan in an open way! I have an understanding of many concerns which are being raised here. Just an idea that I discussed with Dominique a few days ago. My first-time personal experience with our current "Immutable Desktop" was quite good, but not perfect. I definitely would have some RFEs, which seem to be relatively low-hanging fruits that would improve my day-to-day experience by a lot (mostly default configuration) I can see how the entry barrier may appear too high to people meeting such a concept for the first time. I'm thinking of an idea to make a "workshop" where users would install MicroOS Desktop and try to use it for a week, and then we'd meet to talk about the user experience, both good and bad). I think people liked our last *workshop. We've had around 50 visitors in total. We could start putting together known issues (FAQ), try to propose some changes, and make sure they're being tracked for ALP GA. Thoughts? [0]https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:ALP/Workgroups/Community/Workshops/LeapD…

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Re: ALP WG Meeting minutes - July 5th 2022
by Dan Čermák 07 Jul '22

07 Jul '22

Jan Engelhardt <jengelh(a)inai.de> writes: > On Wednesday 2022-07-06 11:48, Dan Čermák wrote: >>> >>> 1) What are the advantages of flatpak/container vs RPM? >> >>Flatpaks support sandboxing when configured properly giving you greater >>security benefits in comparison to traditional rpms. > > But that is not inherent to the flatpaks themselves. As you say, > flatpaks are but a different method of _distributing_ software. And > so the critique becomes: stop distributing software twice. That's what will happen. Currently we distribute software for every code stream and with flatpaks we hope to reduce the burden on our maintainers and allow them to distribute it only once. > To make flatpaks (or, at this point: sandboxes) more widely accepted, > generate them on the fly from an existing system, i.e. from {an rpmdb > and loose files} rather than from a set of .rpm files. Sure, that would be nice to have. But creating such a system is a lot of work which is really hard to justify if there is already a perfectly functioning and widely adopted system in place. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Čermák <dcermak(a)suse.com> Software Engineer Development tools SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Frankenstrasse 146 90461 Nürnberg Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Managing Director/Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev, Andrew Myers, Andrew McDonald, Boudien Moerman

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Re: ALP WG Meeting minutes - July 5th 2022
by Dan Čermák 07 Jul '22

07 Jul '22

Jiri Slaby <jslaby(a)suse.cz> writes: > On 05. 07. 22, 17:46, Dan Čermák wrote: >> we have mostly focused this week's meeting on how the ALP Desktop is >> going to look like and how we can dispel fears around flatpaks and >> containers when it comes to the ALP desktop. > > I have never looked into this container stuff in more detail. But one of > the concerns I was always afraid of was how this behaves WRT shared > libraries and their memory footprint? IOW, containers kill the purpose > of shlibs completely and one has to hold all of the versions (per each > container on the top of ones from the base system) in memory, right? > This sounds as if using static libraries. A lot of the containerized software is written in Go and that is already statically linked, so my guess is that no one really looked at this so far. However with flatpaks the situation is different and it would be theoretically possible to deduplicate shared runtimes of flatpaks. Unfortunately I don't know whether that is actually done in practice or even feasible. > And what about userspace live patching? Would we provide it for SLE for > all the containers? Or don't you expect these continaers to be available > on SLE (which would be against the advertised purpose, it seems)? This would be a question for Libor, who is driving the Kernel and Live Patching WG. Cheers, Dan -- Dan Čermák <dcermak(a)suse.com> Software Engineer Development tools SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Frankenstrasse 146 90461 Nürnberg Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Managing Director/Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev, Andrew Myers, Andrew McDonald, Boudien Moerman

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Nest with Fedora 2022
by ddemaio 07 Jul '22

07 Jul '22

Hi all, As you well know, Fedora and openSUSE have long been sponsors and supporters of each other's conference. In addition to all the tools, projects and friendships we share, taking part in each others conference helps us grow and support the open-source communities. Registration for Nest with Fedora 2022 is open. It will be August 4, 5 & 6. Please register for the virtual conference at https://hopin.com/events/nest-with-fedora-2022 v/r Doug

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Community Info: Meeting/ALP WG/Board Meeting/Asia Summit CfP&Logo Week 27
by ddemaio 07 Jul '22

07 Jul '22

Hi all, The ALP Work Group (WG) will take place tomorrow at 14:30 UTC. We plan on having a special guest to ask questions to about ALP. Please be reminded that these WG are opportunities to discuss & help shape ALP. The Community Meeting will be on Thursday at 19:00 UTC. Both meetings will be in https://meet.opensuse.org/meeting You can view the meeting notes from the ALP WG and other notes at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/weeklymeeting. BOARD MEETING The biweekly board conference call with the board is today at 13:00 Europe/Berlin time. It about 90 minutes. The meeting will be in the regular Board Meeting Room at https://meet.opensuse.org/OSBoard Current Topics are: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting ASIA SUMMIT CFP The Call for Papers for the openSUSE.Asia Summit is now open until July 31. That leaves 27 days to submit your proposal for the online event. Submit your proposal at https://events.opensuse.org. Please find the news at https://news.opensuse.org/2022/07/01/osa-cfp/ LOGO Yes, We need a logo from this year's openSUSE.Asia Summit. Find out how to submit your logo idea at https://news.opensuse.org/2022/07/01/osa-cfl/ v/r Doug

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Minutes of openSUSE Board meeting 2022-05-23
by Gerald Pfeifer 04 Jul '22

04 Jul '22

[ We noticed those minutes weren't posted back then, and I volunteered to remedy that situation. Posting and Wiki... ] = Minutes of openSUSE Board meeting 2022-05-23 = Present: Axel, Gerald, Maurizio, Syds, Gertjan, Neal Guests: Doug, Emily Excused: Atilla == Board meeting before oSC == * Day 1: Gerald recommens to start a bit later, so 1000h-1800, since SUSE is moving offices in Nürnberg around that week. * Day 2 start at 0900, Gerald needs to leave noonish * https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/45 * Axel, Gerald, Gertjan, Maurizio, Neal able to attend * Atilla cannot make it * Syds cannot make it IRL (but join online for the board sessions at the event) * Looks like SUSE is going to be in the new office, close to the event, by that point * Monika kindly helping to arrange for a meeting room. * If anything needs anything paid upfront, please contact Gerald and Doug. (via board(a)o.o with cc Doug) == TSP update == * https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/48 * Doug has another meeting scheduled for tomorrow. == Logo Usage == * https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/47 * request is approved, Axel had a good exchange, ticket closed. == openSUSE online communities == * https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/38 * Made good progress * Plan status update at the conference and release a bit afterwards. == Going through some older tickets == * #27 Create mailing list (or some other platform) for all moderators across all media (forums, lists, Telegrams, IRC,...) ** https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/27 ** AI Gertjan to check and update- mau: we can close this one and create a new one or merge with issue #38, first check if ML is working * #11 Enable community repositories during installation ** AI Neal to check and update Meeting closed at 13:57 CEST

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Reminder meeting : openSUSE Board meeting next Monday (13:00 Europe/Berlin)
by openSUSE Meeting Reminder 02 Jul '22

02 Jul '22

Hello all, The biweekly board conf call will be held in two days at 13:00 Europe/Berlin time (CET = UTC+1) Meeting will be in the regular Board Meeting Room https://meet.opensuse.org/OSBoard Current Topics: https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issues?status=Open&tags=meeting Board Members: If you cannot participate, please advise by replying to this mail.

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