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Board Meeting Minutes 2021-01-06
by Vinzenz Vietzke 19 Jan '21

19 Jan '21

Hi all, here are the meeting minutes for the board's meeting on 2021-01-06: (sorry, bit late...) 8<---------------------------------------------------------------------- Start: 2100h CET End: 2240h CET Present: Axel, Gerald, Gertjan, Marina, Neal, Simon, Stasiek, Vinz<br /> Minutes: Vinz === 1. Welcome new board members === Gerald welcomed new members of the board (Gertjan, Neal), thanked the leaving ones Marina and Stasiek for their work. === 2. Communications === ==== 2.1 Update board mailing list ==== New board members were added to private board mailing list. The archive for board mailing list is non-existant for privacy reasons. Former board members will be removed from board mailing list after the meeting ==== 2.2 Wiki pages ==== Board wiki pages are partially updated already, new board members will add themselves. There are duplicates that should get merged * AI Axel: Update Board history page * AI Gerald: Merge openSUSE_talk:Board_meetings into general Board Meetings page. ==== 2.3 Telegram group ==== For convenience and privacy reasons a new group is made for Board 2021. * AI Vinz: Setup group, invite all board members, make them admins ==== 2.4 Update on treasurer ==== The board elaborated the situation around finances, travel support program and handling of sponsorship. * AI Simon: Talk to Andrew Wafaa about the treasurer role ==== 2.5 Obligatory Face2face meeting ==== This is not going to happen anytime soon for obvious reasons. === 3. Complaints === ==== 3.1 Recent history ==== Gerald gave an brief overview on the recent complaints happening and being handled by the board, respectively parts of the board. ==== 3.2 Status & next steps ==== The board agrees on keep going the route of handling behavior (and the resulting conflicts) in the community. === 4. Brief update from Gerald on recent changes at SUSE === === 5. Slot for this meeting going forward === The board agrees on 2100h CET on Mondays at a bi-weekly schedule. First meeting will happen on January 18th 2021. * AI Axel: Set up the meeting email reminder accordingly 8<---------------------------------------------------------------------- These minutes can be found on the wiki as well: https://en.opensuse.org/Archive:Board_meeting_2021-01-06 All previous meeting minutes are there as well: https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_meetings#Meeting_summaries On behalf of the board, vinz.

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Why separate foundation?
by Mark Stopka 15 Jan '21

15 Jan '21

As a Board Member candidate who withheld from The Elections, I feel obliged to still make a case for points that I have had as part of my key deliverables if elected... Today I decided to mention few benefits (and there are MANY drawbacks, but I won't get into those) of a separate SUSE Foundation, but first let me comment a little about allegations made by @Richard Brown, at the time of the elections I have had access to privileged information from at least one of my customers, Nordic Managed Services provider TietoEVRY who is / was both SUSE and Rancher Labs customer, I am a signatory of Rancher Labs and SUSE NDAs. As an example I would mention about the Rancher Longhorn preference on the side SUSE and abolishment of CEPH... I won't comment on viability of SUSE offering on current market in distributed storage, let me just say, TietoEVRY hired me to deliver IBM Spectrum Scale, and SUSE sales team had full support to convince us to switch - the numbers made zero sense, NetApp my former employer and leader in cloud-native scale-out storage solutions would be cheaper... And being more expensive than IBM... The same applies to storage purchased by Czech Academy of Science , I ran the numbers as a procurement consultant, a semi-distributed scale-out solution would be cheaper than CEPH based SUSE offering... Now let me make the case for the foundation: - as an independent foundation we can receive direct sponsorships from companies like IBM, Huawei,... - as an independent foundation we can do CrowdFunding campaigns... - as an independent foundation we can work with smaller partners, for instance I believe there may be SUSE distributors interested in funding a separate foundation - I was making a case for SUSE based IaaS solution, Rancher now released such solution based on aforementioned Rancher Longhorn, when we will be separate foundation, we should apply diplomacy to convince SUSE to migrate Rancher products to (open)SUSE based products like MicroOS to ensure self-preservation and competitive advantage, we do not want to end-up Mozilla, if we are a foundation (oh look, I have mentioned a drawback anyway) - As an independent foundation with cash-inflows, we can work with students and hire them to provide both guidance and reasonable compensation, invest into building a community directly, as opposed to indirectly - marketing I could mention much more possibilities enabled by a separate foundation, but I would rather inspire a wider debate on the topic... -- Best regards / S pozdravem, BSc. Mark Stopka, BBA Managing Partner (at) PERLUR Group mobile: +420 704 373 561 website: www.perlur.cloud

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openSUSE - Google Summer of Code 2021
by ddemaio 15 Jan '21

15 Jan '21

Hi All, Applications for mentor organizations for the 2021 Google Summer of Code will be from Jan. 29 - Feb. 19. The openSUSE Project has a long history of participating as a mentor organization. If you are interested in mentoring for your open source project, please let me know so I can come up with a list of the people who are interested. You would need to be committed to actively mentoring a student/s if openSUSE becomes selected as a mentor organization.This will involve keeping the student on task, actively communicating and mentoring them and writing progress reports; I believe there are 2 reports the mentors must write (mid-term review and final review). If there are enough interested mentors to proceed with an application, which I will let you know ASAP, potential mentors would need to update the git repository (https://github.com/openSUSE/mentoring) for https://101.opensuse.org, so I can submit the application. If you have any questions, please let me know. v/r Doug

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Re: Why separate foundation?
by Gryffus 10 Jan '21

10 Jan '21

Od: marekstopka(a)gmail.com Odesláno: 9. ledna 2021 14:41 Komu: rbrown(a)suse.de Kopie: project(a)lists.opensuse.org; board(a)opensuse.org Předmět: Re: Why separate foundation? <snip> > On 2021-01-09 14:17, Mark Stopka wrote: > > Considering I plan to on-board many new members based on at this time > > undisclosed value-proposition, you may even call it an hostile > > takeover attempt, since you seem to like these corporate terms so > > much. And I think the best way to on-board such new contributors is if > > my company sponsors openSUSE Foundation, which will sign MoU with the > > local university, as my company that has nothing to do with openSUSE > > at this point, it's called making the contributions tax-deductible. <snip> > Yes, all will be disclosed in due time, as something has been > disclosed in here, it takes time Richard to make sure NDAs are null > and void at this point, legal departments take my requests very > seriously. I will tell you all about the proposal of a strategic > investor to buy part of SUSE from EQT as soon as that NDA is lifted, > if such a thing is to take place. <this is only my affected and personal opinion and has nothing to do with opinion of the openSUSE community. I may even later regret sending this, but i am honest and i feel it should be said> Short, czech version: Vy, pane, jste debil. Long EN version: You, sir, do not have a place in "our" community. Your behaviour and proposed/advertised future steps may be viewed as an attempt to restrain openSUSE "spirit of freedom" and may lead to demotivating contributors and leaving to other distro, forking of openSUSE, ruining the ongoing "Closing The Leap Gap" effort and who knows what else. I won't be surprised if even SUSE would be hurted just by this thread. For myself i want to state that solely from your behaviour here on ML, i already know that i won't support and even respect any of your future proposals. I do not like people like you, you seem arrogant to me and i do not see such arrogant behaviour from people who are _twice_ as long in openSUSE community as you and _twice_ as old as you. Maybe try again with a little more politeness, respect and _humility_? Regards, Gfs (Lukáš Krejza) Sent from BlackBerry smartphone – most secure mobile device

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End of the year 2020 -- Results
by Adrien Glauser 08 Jan '21

08 Jan '21

Dear all, I am glad to announce you that the results are available at - https://en.opensuse.org/End-of-year-surveys/2020/Data (raw data) - https://en.opensuse.org/End-of-year-surveys/2020/Graphs (graphs) The "story" to reconstruct from these results is quite straightforward, yet Doug and I are preparing a post to news-o-o that should put it in a nutshell. Best, Adrien PS: As always if anything does not add up do let me know, I'll try to react promptly.

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Minutes of openSUSE Board meeting 2020-07-08
by Gerald Pfeifer 07 Jan '21

07 Jan '21

[ Per the last meeting minutes we are catching up on missing ones; don't shoot the messengers. ] Present: Axel, Gerald, Marina, Simon, Vinz Minutes: N.S. (editor: Gerald) == Github and single-sign-on for admin accounts == * Board has been approached to support single-sign-on requirement for openSUSE Github admins * Feel that the board should not own/decide on this kind of policy ** best driven by volunteers in that area ** not as a decree from the board * AI: Simon to draft a reply. == Complaint about a member == * Complaint received, investigated, and agreed to issue warning == Conflict resolution when board member(s) are involved == * One option might be membership officials ** drawback: not an elected body (unlike TDF) ** Not sure if https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Membership_officials is fully up to date * As we are looking into a foundation, a setup similar to TDF might work * If there are substantial changes, involve the community! * Until formal changes ** with one/few board members involved the rest of the board should be able to handle ** still consider involving the election officials == Legal review bottleneck == * Delaying Tumbleweed development * SUSE Legal is aware of the existing issue and Gerald has engaged. == Next board call == * Avoid mornings for the time being. * AI: Marina send a Doodle with weeks 29 and 30.

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X Forwarding not working latest Tumbleweed
by Chuck Payne 07 Jan '21

07 Jan '21

Guys, So I updated one of KVM server, I use mobaxterm to launch virt-manager. Use too, X forward would pop up and I could work. The only error I can find is the following in dmesg [ 2648.463826] sshd[3687]: segfault at 388 ip 00005595f7790563 sp 00007ffd07f595f0 error 4 in sshd[5595f774e000+74000] [ 2648.463837] Code: 1f 84 00 00 00 00 00 48 85 ff 0f 84 d7 00 00 00 41 54 55 48 89 fd 48 83 ec 08 48 8b 87 20 01 00 00 48 85 c0 0f 84 95 00 00 00 <8b> 40 18 a8 02 75 46 a8 04 0f 85 8e 00 00 00 48 8b 7d 08 e8 e5 ef I have looked and Xforwarding is set to yes /etc/ssh/sshd_config. -- Terror PUP a.k.a Chuck "PUP" Payne ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 openSUSE Community Member since 2008.

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How to effectively keep track of weekly openSUSE events and project schedule
by Lubos Kocman 06 Jan '21

06 Jan '21

Hello openSUSE I'd like to start some discussion about how to manage invitations (and related meet.opensuse.org links) for weekly openSUSE events such as Feature Review, Release Engineering meeting, openSUSE Leap 15.3 milestones, kickoffs ... all ideally all at the same place. What do we do as of today (to my knowledge) Regular attendees of the openSUSE Release team have a regular meeting invitation. The remaining openSUSE community members can see the invitation pretty much only from meeting minutes. These are also referenced from https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Release_team Similar for feature reviews wiki + link to meeting minutes https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Jump/Policy/CommunitySLEChangeRequests Since 15.3 we have .ics file and .txt under https://github.com/openSUSE/openSUSE-release-process/tree/master/schedule and also my favorite page on openSUSE wiki https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap Sarah mentioned on today's Release Team meeting that there is also a team that is using progress-o-o and due dates and watchlist for regular events. Do you have any good experience with opensuse hosted (micro)services that you could share? Feel free to use the following etherpad to capture ideas: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/Schedule-thoughts Thank you -- Lubos Kocman, Release Manager openSUSE Leap SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg - Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Geschäftsführer: Felix Imendörffer

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How was it? Community of friendly equal gekkos?
by Mark Stopka 04 Jan '21

04 Jan '21

$SUBJECT, someone should share the memo with Stefan... - https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/856976 - https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/856971 He apparently feels a sole gatekeeper of a project that has 74 packages in total, 9 failing, 7 unresolvable including 2 years old verilator that is linked to Factory... Good luck taking on CentOS with this attitude, EDA space is not where openSUSE can shine if community members act like they need to protect their tiny projects, I have requested a separate OBS project for ASIC and FPGA EDA effort, and was told to use electronics, so make up your mind... The facepalm is intended for a person on a BCC... 🤦‍♂️ Question: What can SUSE help you with to grow the community? Not to place roadblocks in my way... I'd Stefan is such a roadblock, so perhaps board@ can start removing community roadblocks also, I am not facing any roadblocks from SUSE at this point. He rejected a valid version update of a package which is not even linked to Factory or any upstream, yet provided 0 specific issues with the request... -- Best regards / S pozdravem, BSc. Mark Stopka, BBA Managing Partner (at) PERLUR Group mobile: +420 704 373 561 website: www.perlur.cloud

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Minutes of the openSUSE Board Meeting 2020-10-27 0800 CET
by Axel Braun 03 Jan '21

03 Jan '21

[ Per the last meeting minutes we are catching up on missing ones; don't shoot the messengers. ] == Board Meeting Minutes 2020-10-27 0800 CET == Attendees: Axel, Gerald, Marina, Stasiek, Vinz Apologized: Simon Guest: Lubos Minutes: N.S. === Status Jump / Closing the Leap Gap === * Go/No Go query submitted to affected/contributing teams by Lubos: https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Jump/Leap15.2.1:GoNogo * Main Painpoints: maintenance migration * Deadline for Release of 15.2.1: Nov 4th * Nov 2nd, last review for Go/NoGo * Kick-off meeting Leap 15.3 * 15.3 will be based on the new Jump concept. More info during the kickoff. * several presentations from Lubos and no real concerns on the topic. * kickoff announced to factory@ and project@ by Lubos * meeting on 4th afternoon === Conference Review === * Upcoming: DevConf -> https://www.devconf.info/cz/ openSUSE community encouraged to submit papers * oSLO 2020 feedback and kudos to TDF team * Board session during oSLO Topics discussed: openSUSE committment and interactions with the Board Status of the project Marketing activities (not mainly a board job) Mailing Lists Foundation Losing users and installations General approach: board should not/does not want to interfere with the various teams. * AI: Marina: check the status of the board session at the conference. * Asking community at large for a retrospective * Potential tool for community retrospective: https://www.parabol.co/ https://github.com/ParabolInc/parabol === Next elections === AI: Gerald: contact the election officials for starting the next board election process Seats up for election are Axel's and Marina's. Gerald will clarify with the election officials. === Misc ==== * openforum europe on Nov 5th<br> Event: First results of the European Commission Open Source study

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