July 2015 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-factory] KDE Virtual desktops all identical
by Jay 28 Jul '15

28 Jul '15

Am Dienstag, 28. Juli 2015, 20:27:58 schrieb Hans de Faber: > Recently i took a look at tumbleweed and milestone 42.1. > I discovered that all virtual desktops are always identical. > > If change a wallpaper on one of the desktops all desktops change to the > chosen wallpaper. > Where is the setting to have different wallpapers on each desktop ? > > If i set the desktop to folderview and change > "desktopsettings-location-specify a folder" the desktopfolder, it is > always the same for all desktops. > So also the icons and widgets are for all desktops identical. > > Is this a known omission or is it still in the pipeline ? I'm not 100% sure but I think this is a new KDE-Plasma-5 - "feature". Just google for it. That's called "progress" and you can't stop it. ;) Sometimes I think it's high time that artificial intelligence takes over. ;) Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-factory] A users wishlist to make zypper up/dup & suse noob-friendly
by Jay 28 Jul '15

28 Jul '15

Am Dienstag, 28. Juli 2015, 10:58:28 schrieb Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger: > > Those are really important for desktop users. thats the reason why > > they > > were patented. If you want to watch videos (offline, non-flash) or > > hear > > music (except mp3) you most definetly need packman. > > No, you don't... you could actually go the patent-legal way and buy the > OnePlay Codec Pack... stating that you must use PM is like stating you > must commit a crime to use watch Videos (depending on region that is... > ) IMO the legal way is the way to go here, i. e. downloading the OnePlay Codec Pack. If it's really so important for someone to have all that MM-stuff, 20$ seems affordable - you would still get the OS for free. BUT - just an idea, not thought through - would it perhaps be possible to get a better deal for openSUSE-users? Let's say 10 $? Could be a win-win for both sides. But I don't know if this would be technically feasable. Perhaps complete BS. Better forget about it. ;) Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Leap: Graphic design
by Jay 28 Jul '15

28 Jul '15

Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 13:58:14 schrieb PatrickD Garvey: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Jay <MyMailClone(a)t-online.de> wrote: > > Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 14:19:49 schrieb Greg Freemyer: > >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Jay <MyMailClone(a)t-online.de> wrote: > >> > In my experience it takes time to develop a good graphic design > >> > (here: log-in screen / default wallpaper). > >> > > >> > So just in case this has not been done already, briefing the designers > >> > now > >> > would not be wrong. There's enough information available now to give > >> > them > >> > an idea of what Leap is about. > >> > > >> > That way they would have enough time to come up with a good draft. > >> > > >> > And a better one if the first one goes up in flames. ;) > >> > > >> > > >> > Rainer Fiebig > >> > >> There is a graphic design team for openSUSE. > > > > Let's hope they have subscribed to this list. ;) > > I'm sorry, they have their own list: > http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-artwork/ > > Perhaps, it would be a good tactic to start a discussion with them by > subscribing and posting to their communications channel for a short > discussion of the Leap 42 decisions made thus far? Good idea. I'll do that. I took a look at that list before I posted my suggestion here. The last post was as of Apr 9 2015. So I thought it might be dead. And my suggestion was more meant as a reminder: "Guys, don't forget the graphic design It will take some time to develop - if you want it to be good." I was a bit surprised by Andres Betts' reaction because for me it was a sure thing that the graphics-people would love to do some work for a release with a name like "Leap 42.1". If I were a graphic designer I would take it as an invitation! And not as a troublesome burden. But people are different, right? Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Leap: Graphic design
by Jay 27 Jul '15

27 Jul '15

Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 13:54:00 schrieb Andres Betts: > On July 27, 2015 at 12:18:26 PM, Jay (mymailclone(a)t-online.de) wrote: > > Am Montag, 27. Juli 2015, 10:23:28 schrieb Andres Betts: > > On July 27, 2015 at 10:18:54 AM, Jay (mymailclone@t- > > online.de(mailto:mymailclone@t-online.de)) wrote: > > > In my experience it takes time to develop a good graphic design > > > (here: log-in screen / default wallpaper). > > > > > > So just in case this has not been done already, briefing the designers > > > now > > > would not be wrong. There's enough information available now to give > > > them > > > an idea of what Leap is about. > > > > > > That way they would have enough time to come up with a good draft. > > > > > > And a better one if the first one goes up in flames. ;) > > > > > > > > > Rainer Fiebig > > > -- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > > > To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org > > > > I wonder if this is really necessary. We have a few flavors of openSUSE > > around already and changing the wallpaper is a good idea, however, I don’t > > know that we I (just myself) could commit to changing it constantly. A > > good > > wallpaper takes time. I vote for just keeping the same wallpaper across or > > choosing a different one that is already included with KDE or Gnome. > > > > I personally think that only doing wallpapers is really not beneficial and > > it is a weak effort that does not build a strong brand. By that I mean > > that > > the effort to change a wallpaper should generally be accompanied by other > > brand elements that could show throughout the distribution, but we don’t > > have the manpower or dev willingness to work on that. > > > > Again, let’s probably keep the choices made for one distribution across > > all > > the others. > > > > Andy (anditosan) > > The more I think about it, the more I'm disappointed by your reaction. > > In the real world ANY graphic designer or advertising agency would CRAVE > to get the contract! Because they'd immediately recognize the significance > of it. > > To help you see it, too: > http://news.softpedia.com/news/opensuse-leap-42-is-a-new-version-that-will-> change-the-opensuse-project-486229.shtml > > Think about it. > > Rainer Fiebig > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org > > > Rainer, > I understand your feelings for this product. "Feelings" would be a bit too much! ;) How about "controlled enthusiasm"? ;) And why not? I really like the concept, I think it's going to fill a significant gap in the distro-world and might be sort of a game-changer. And I'm also getting the impression that the project is moving in the right direction. And that's positive. Yea, I like that. > All I am saying is that > probably I won’t be the one making a wallpaper graphic for Leap and backed > up my argument with my experience. That’s all. That's good and understood. > > It is good to know that in Open Source there are no “contracts” to seek > after and that a contributor can decide to either do or not do something. > We are not bound by corporate money or contracts. I have designed (along > with many others in the community) a few of the graphical aspects we use > today in the distribution. I have also seen it where others take the > position where they don’t find it feasible to help or like what is > produced. We all deal with that. > You're getting this completely wrong. What I tried to communicate is that the graphic design for Leap is an attractive task and a real opportunity for a creative mind to make his mark. But you can't see it. And that's OK. > Please use this channel, not to vent your personal feelings, I'm not "venting" anything here. ;) > but rather to > promote and ask about what can be done. If you are personally frustrated by > what you cannot change in others, then use this ML only to gather the > feedback that will advance your idea and not the feedback that won’t. For heaven's sake! Don't worry - I'm really not frustrated because you have a different opinion than me. I can handle that. Honestly! But you're just kidding me, right? ;) > In my > case, I chose not to work on a wallpaper, therefore, skip me and focus on > those that do want to create a wallpaper. Thank you for your advice - but I know what to do in a situation like this. I've already skipped you. > I am not the only designer > around, I am sure. As pointed out by others, the artwork channel exists and > so does it’s mailing list. This request is better geared there. I took a look at that list before I posted my suggestion here. The last post there was as of Thu Apr 09 2015, so I thought it might be dead. But I will post my suggestion there, too. Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] member's poll
by jdd 27 Jul '15

27 Jul '15

Hello, If you followed, even rapidly, the project mailing list, you may know we wonder what is the situation of our membership application and our members. So as first action, I open a poll with only one question, only accessible to members https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/jdd_sysop/48150/are-you-still-an… If *you* are a "member" (one of the 500 :-)), please go to this page, login and answer This will give us at least a small idea. Poll will be active up to end of September, to let time to people presently on holidays. thanks you jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Re: [opensuse-factory] How to Contribute to Leap
by Jay 25 Jul '15

25 Jul '15

Am Freitag, 24. Juli 2015, 22:59:29 schrieb Richard Brown: > Hi All, > > As we have Milestone 1 of Leap 42.1 out now and I'm sure both bugs > requests for packages are going to start cropping up, I've added to > the wiki some instructions on how to Contribute to Leap so it should > be really easy for people to start helping fix things > > https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:How_to_contribute_to_Leap > > I've also updated the https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Leap and > https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Leap with some more up to date > information > > Hope this helps, > > Richard Seems Leap is gaining momentum! I've written the text of the "Name and Versioning/openSUSE Leap"-paragraph of the project-page and it's alway nice to see one's work in public. But the naming-process is behind us now. So I suggest that we simply scrap it and replace it with the following: Development guideline Leap 42.1: The best of two worlds Proven SUSE enterprise-components, an LTS-kernel and long-term support combine with the innovative spirit of the OpenSource community for excellent reliability and just right up-to-dateness. That way even the hasty reader gets a short and meaninful description of what Leap is about and what he is probably going to get. It would help to communicate the benefits early. By calling it a "guideline" it's clear that things may still change. I could edit the page accordingly but would like to have your OK before doing so. Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE releases first milestone for Leap
by Jay 24 Jul '15

24 Jul '15

https://news.opensuse.org/2015/07/24/opensuse-releases-first-milestone-for-… Looks good. Well written! Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] letter to people not accepted to be a member
by jdd 24 Jul '15

24 Jul '15

Hello, I do not have at hand the letter that is received by people asking to be a member but with no or nearly no contribution, and so refused. I think this letter is much too rude, and that it's a waste of good will not to make some sort of follow up. There are not so many :-) I can try to do so. I propose to have a letter of this sort (very incomplete, please read and comment) https://en.opensuse.org/User:Jdd/letter_to_people_asking_to_be_a_member_2015 do we have a forum/mailing list that we could ask such people to subscribe? "opensuse@" seems to me much to intimidating :-) thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-project] Leap 42.1: Positioning / USP
by Jay 22 Jul '15

22 Jul '15

Am Mittwoch, 22. Juli 2015, 07:06:13 schrieb Bruno Friedmann: > On Saturday 18 July 2015 12.35:37 Jay wrote: > > Am Samstag, 18. Juli 2015, 11:35:56 schrieb Bruno Friedmann: > > > ps : > > > this is a repost to the public ml, where my first send should have been > > > gone. (Jay/Reiner) could you ask your mail program to not trick the > > > reply-to when writing to opensuse ml, so everybody that click on reply > > > will > > > have the correct field? ;-)) > > > > I'm using KMail. > > > > But I couldn't find an option to fulfill your wish! No idea. > > > > Rainer Fiebig > > I've all openSUSE stuff automagically ordered by folder / sub folder (one > mailing list by subfolder) In kmail you can right click on properties, and > tell it this folder handle a ML. It should eventually auto-recognize the > mailing list address. > > And the second point is in your account configuration, let Reply-to field > empty ;-) Thanks, I'll try no. 2! Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Leap 42.1: Positioning / USP
by Jay 22 Jul '15

22 Jul '15

The baby's got a name now and a good solution for hardware- support (kernel) seems to have been found. So I've been thinking a bit about how we might finally position Leap and also use this as the USP (Unique Selling Proposition). In positioning one has to consider what the target-user may value, what the product offers and of course the competition. I think we roughly know what our target-users like and what other major distros are doing. So I took a look at Leap again. When using the latest LTS-kernel with the SUSE-packages, it has the following features/benefits: - hard to beat stability - continuity through long-term-support - pretty up-to-date hardware-support - up-to-date yet stable user-software Obviously, Leap has a strong stability/continuity-attribute and a somewhat less-strong "up-to-date"-attribute. Now for the hard part: how to summarize this without writing an article? The name "Leap 42.1" already does part of the job. Stability and continuity can be merged into "reliability". For lack of a better idea, I called the "up-to-date"-attribute just that. And this leads to my proposal for positioning Leap 42.1 as: > The Up-to-date Reliability Release < AFAIK no other major distro offers the same combination. So the USP would be: The only Up-to-date Reliability Release "Up-to-date Reliability Release" is a new expression (as is "Reliability Release") and AFAIK no other major distribution so far has made that claim. As Leap would be the first to do so, chances are good that after a while of consistent communication Leap would own this position in the users mind. Any thoughts? "Up-to-date" too strong? Could we stand by that claim also in the long run? Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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