December 2013 - openSUSE Project - openSUSE Mailing Lists

Fwd: [opensuse-project] Getting S... Done.
by Chuck Payne 09 Dec '13

09 Dec '13

Henne, I agree with you a little, only because I keep stating that I am will to be a Mentor and to help, but never told, ok. Help. I was like a 9 year kid in class waving my hands in the arm, only to get over looked. I have asked to help out in other areas, but again never to hear ok. So your right that no one in lets say the cool kids are willing to do it, it will died, but there are always the uncool kids that are willing and wanting to help, that get over look. Pup On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Henne Vogelsang <hvogel(a)opensuse.org> wrote: > Hey, > > On 08.12.2013 21:33, Jos Poortvliet wrote: > >> As the ambassador- >> and marketing programs have shown, when a few key people put in lots of >> energy, a huge multiplication effect can follow. See the statistics I shared. >> Once the key people go away, things fall apart. > > Any project that nobody is willing to put an effort to will never happen > or die. That is a good thing! As this leaves only the stuff that someone > really want's. > > Don't propose it, do it... > > Henne > > -- > Henne Vogelsang > http://www.opensuse.org > Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. > - Mike Tyson > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org > To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org > -- Terror PUP a.k.a Chuck "PUP" Payne (678) 636-9678 ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member Community Manager -- Southeast Linux Foundation (SELF) skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. See you at Southeast Linux Fest, June 7-9, 2013 in Charlotte, NC. www.southeastlinuxfest.org -- Terror PUP a.k.a Chuck "PUP" Payne (678) 636-9678 ----------------------------------------- Discover it! Enjoy it! Share it! openSUSE Linux. ----------------------------------------- openSUSE -- en.opensuse.org/User:Terrorpup openSUSE Ambassador/openSUSE Member Community Manager -- Southeast Linux Foundation (SELF) skype,twiiter,identica,friendfeed -- terrorpup freenode(irc) --terrorpup/lupinstein Register Linux Userid: 155363 Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. See you at Southeast Linux Fest, June 7-9, 2013 in Charlotte, NC. www.southeastlinuxfest.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE 2016: taking a picture of openSUSE today
by agustin benito bethencourt 08 Dec '13

08 Dec '13

Hi, Once openSUSE 13.1 has been released, it is time for the openSUSE Team to focus on the future. We want to share some ideas we have about the project in general and factory in particular. The topic is not easy. so this mail is a little long and dense, but hopefully worth it. It won't be the last one so let me know how to improve it. INTRODUCTION/GOALS This is the first of a series of mails we will publish the following days with different ideas. The process we are proposing has no intention of pointing at anybody, revisiting the past or enforce any situation within the community. Our goals are: * Share a picture as a starting point of discussion. * Use the discussed picture as a reference to agree on actions we all can/want to execute. FIRST STEP: PIECES OF THE PUZZLE One of the first things we did was digging into numbers that provided us information about the status of the project. Data cannot be the only source to create a complete picture, but it is helpful as first step. In order to better understand the rest of the mail, you probably want to look the following references: * Alberto Planas talk at oSC13: openSUSE in Numbers[1] * Alberto Planas' slides from the above talk[2] * First openSUSE Team blog post: Numbers in openSUSE[3] * Second openSUSE Team blog post: More on statistics[4] * Jos post about numbers[5] One important note about the numbers: since most of the behaviors of the variables reflected on the graphs were consolidated, at some point we decided to stop adding effort in collecting numbers until 13.1 was released. Once the Release is well established, we will update them and evaluate the influence of this Release in the global picture. I won't try to go very deep in the analysis. It would be too long. There are many interpretations that can be done based on the graphs. I will just point out the most relevant for our purpose. Feel free to add others. Following Alberto Planas' order from his slides[2]... 1.- Downloads The number of downloads do not measure our user base, but provide hints about the impact of the work done every 8 months, the potential new users we might bring to the project and, looking at pre-release downloads, the number of testers. Taking a look at the graphs, we can see that the overall number of downloads is growing at a slow path (slope). This behavior is not consistent in every release. For instance, 12.1 was more downloaded that 12.2 or 12.3. More and more people uses zypper for updating the distribution though. 2.- UUIDs (installations that update regularly) * Looking at the number of machines that regularly update against openSUSE repositories (daily, weekly and monthly), we can easily conclude that the situation is very stable. The speed of growth (daily and weekly stats) or decline (monthly) is low. * What the graph do not show is the acceleration. It has been negative (small in value) for quiet some time now. * When looking at the architectures, we see that x86_64 is more popular than i586. This behavior is accelerating, as confirmed in the download numbers collected for 12.3 * When looking at the mediums where those installations come from, we clearly see three dominant ones: .iso (dvd version), ftp (net installs) and Live CD. * There is a relevant detail that Alberto mentioned in his talk. More than half, almost 2/3, of openSUSE installations are not using the last version many weeks after Release date. There is also a significant amount of installations using unmaintained or Evergreen versions. 3.- Factory and Tumbleweed installations/"users" Factory is our ongoing development effort. As you can see in the graph, the number of Factory installations is constant. Tumbleweed was very successful when it came out. Many developers and bleeding edge users liked it. Its popularity is decreasing though. 4.- Contributors to factory and devel projects The numbers of users that are submitting request to factory/devel projects is increasing. Now we have more non SUSE contributors. SUSE ones remain constant. The overall growth is about 27 new contributors per year, a little bit more than 2 new contributors per month. 5.- Social media and comparison with Fedora openSUSE is, in the social media channels evaluated, in the range of Fedora. Comparing our numbers, I guess we all agree with this general trend that states that openSUSE is a more user oriented distribution than Fedora is. We have less downloads but more users (installations updating regularly). SOLVING THE PUZZLE All the above pieces shows a stable picture. Every sign of growth or decline is, in absolute and/or relative numbers, small except social media, due to their explosion as communication channels (which I do not think is way different from what other Free Software communities are experiencing). ADDING CONTEXT TO THE PICTURE openSUSE coexist with other "coopetitors" (Free Software competitors + cooperators) and competitors (closed sources distributions). Touchscreens, cloud, big data, games...the Linux ecosystem is evolving and there are new users with new needs. New players are consolidating their positions: Arch, Chakra, Mint... Ubuntu is moving to the mobile space, Debian is getting some attention back from previous Ubuntu users.... On the other hand, some distros that were relevant in the past have disappeared, our 13.1 has got more attention than previous ones, SUSE is healthy and willing to invest more in openSUSE in the future ... In the above context, how is our "stable" situation perceived? How do we think it should be perceived? INTERPRETING THE PICTURE If we agree that the overall number of users of Linux based server + "traditional" desktop OS (let's remove the mobile/embedded space and cloud for now), is growing, not following the "market" growing trend might be perceived as a wake up call, a clear sign that improvements needs to be done. But if we agree that we are playing in a risky and challenging field, stability can be perceived as a healthy sign. After these months of analysis and discussions with both, contributors and users, I would like to ask you if you agree with the the idea that the first picture is more prominent than the second one. But, does the second one provide us a good platform to improve our current position? SHARE YOUR OWN PICTURE Let me propose you some questions: 1.- What other variables we should put in place to create an accurate picture of the current state of the project? 2.- What is the perception you think others have from the project? 3.- What is your perception, your picture? To get some context you might want to take a look at the following contents: * Current strategy[6] * Ralf Flaxa keynote at oSC'13[7] * Jos article: Strategy and Stable[8] * Jos article: Strategy and Factory[9] REFERENCES: Please point us to other relevant references: [1] Alberto Planas talk at oSC13: openSUSE in Numbers: http://youtu.be/NwfohZ8RBd8 [2] Alberto Planas' slides from the above talk: https://github.com/aplanas/opensuse-data/tree/master/osc13 [3] First openSUSE at SUSE team blog post: Numbers in openSUSE http://lizards.opensuse.org/2013/07/04/numbers-is-opensuse/ [4] Second openSUSE at SUSE team blog post: More on statistics http://lizards.opensuse.org/2013/08/23/more-on-statistics/ [5] Jos article about numbers: http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2013/08/on-distributions-numbers-and-breaking… [6] Current strategy: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Strategy [7] Ralf Flaxa keynote at oSC'13: http://youtu.be/fdroo2JZano [8] Jos article: Strategy and Factory: http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2013/07/osc13-strategy-and-factory.html [9] Jos article: Strategy and Stable: http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2013/08/osc13-strategy-and-stable.html Saludos -- Agustin Benito Bethencourt openSUSE Team Lead at SUSE abebe(a)suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] The Activedoc migration has broken links.
by Carlos E. R. 07 Dec '13

07 Dec '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 For instance, I have links pointing directly to: <http://doc.opensuse.org/documentation/html/openSUSE/opensuse-startup/cha.up…> Chapter 16. Upgrading the System and System Changes This is redirected to: <http://activedoc.opensuse.org/book/opensuse-start-up> which is the main page, not the intended destination. Using the search box for the chapter title does not find it. The correct redirection is now: <http://activedoc.opensuse.org/book/opensuse-123-start-up/chapter-16-upgradi…> Having doc.opensuse.org out of commision breaks posts made in forums and places where they can not be altered. Please reinstate, or create full redirections. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlKjlb0ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WnugCfUUzF7QoildPR4WRxf0mjzocx jPQAnRAcStp/SlNxifb8KKfcbCJFaCt/ =XhTZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Single point of failure : nvidia
by Bruno Friedmann 07 Dec '13

07 Dec '13

With the increasing number of new users, trying out openSUSE 13.1 there's also an increasing complaint rate about the non availability of Nvidia drivers. Why we should care about them, after all they are not free drivers. But as we in the past & recent present offer them by being prepared internally at SUSE then pushed to nvidia people in charge of publishing them. The work done by Stefan Dirsch has always been a great addition to end users that were not able to use nouveau for their daily task. I don't want to talk about philosophy in this tread, I'm only interested by the action, we (community side), openSUSE Team (as favorite SUSE internal point of contact), SUSE, can provide to finally better serve our end users. For 13.1, it look like the package on obs were ready to build since 1st November, so then why we don't have it? Stefan's holidays? Unfortunately this "accident" has already happened in the past, so I feel it's time create some process to be make it impossible to happen. I perfectly know that nothing is easy as it look (license, responsibility etc). So my vision is perhaps naive. 1st idea : Is it possible to have a Stefan's backup internally, who will be able to build the package, and have the keys to forward them to nvidia? 2nd idea : Should the community be in charge of it? We have get some success with the AMD equivalent situation even if everything is not failure proof as I would like. Keep experts of it preparing the package as it is now. Would the repository owner accept sr if some comes like (update, improvements etc)? 2a variant : building this package on packman -> then publish there 2b variant : build it locally (it works) and then publish them somewhere 3rd idea : yours ? Thanks to stay on topic, we just all want a solution. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Announce: Q&A session about openSUSE 2016 in next project meeting
by Christopher Hofmann 07 Dec '13

07 Dec '13

Hello Ladies and Gentlemenn, for next week's project meeting we will have a Q&A session about the proposals we sent out recently. So feel free to join the project meeting for a realtime discussion with Agustion and some openSUSE-Team-at-SUSE members at 3pm UTC (4pm MET) next Wednesday, Dec 11th 2013. Yours, openSUSE Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Board Meeting Minutes
by Robert Schweikert 06 Dec '13

06 Dec '13

Hi, The current board had it's next to last meeting this past Monday, December 2nd, and the meeting minutes are now posted: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_meeting#Meeting_2013-12-02 As always if you have questions or concerns please feel free to approach the board directly or respond to this thread. Please do not forget to VOTE. This board will have one more meeting on December 16 and the new board will pick things up in January. Your openSUSE Board -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] oSC14 - the search for motto
by Svebor Prstačić 04 Dec '13

04 Dec '13

Hi all, During our last (first) oSC14 IRC meeting, one of the conclusions is that we need a Motto. What are your thoughts and ideas the motto should be? The idea so far: "oSC14 the geeko kingdom" Svebor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] Conference Logo 3rd Proposal
by Andres Silva 04 Dec '13

04 Dec '13

Hey, I worked on a simpler design this time than the other two proposals. I was given some tips and this is what came out. I like that this logo could go well on t-shirts, documents, web banners, etc. Let's hear what you think about it! http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h414/anditosan/Logo_Proposal3_zps4d7a44… PS: Are we already working on a new conference.opensuse.org? We will need graphics for that as well. I think that if we play red and green on the site for identifying Croatia, it should look really good. Thank you! Andy (anditosan) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] SUSE Studio statistics vs openSUSE statistics
by Greg Freemyer 03 Dec '13

03 Dec '13

All, The SUSE Studio statistics and the openSUSE statistics don't seem to agree very well. Reference: <https://www.suse.com/company/press/2012/2/latest-suse-studio-user-statistic…> <http://lizards.opensuse.org/2013/08/23/more-on-statistics/> "To date, there are more than 233,500 registered users who have built more than 1,128,000 appliances in SUSE Gallery. More information can be found at www.suse.com/products/susestudio/features/whats-new.html." SUSE Studio allows both SLES and openSUSE appliances to be built, but it seems reasonable to assume the majority of the above are working with openSUSE. Those are pretty massive numbers. Comparing those numbers to the openSUSE numbers something seems wrong. Total ISO downloads of openSUSE is measured in 100's of thousands per month. Unique UUIDs is less than 500K. RE: downloads The most popular appliance in the SUSE Studio gallery is an opensuse based appliance <http://susestudio.com/a/TadMax/owncloud-in-a-box>. That one appliance has been downloaded over 30,000 times. I assume that's 30,000+ downloads that were missed. The total openSUSE downloads should be increased by the openSUSE appliance downloads from susestudio? Is the number of openSUSE based appliance downloads available? Is it available by openSUSE release? Can anyone provide a count of downloads in recent months? RE: Users Well under 500K openSUSE users and yet there are almost 250,000 SUSE Studio users. That seems hard to believe. I'm guess the 250,000 is cumulative. Is there a way to get a count of how many of those accounts have had even a single login in the last 12 months? RE: UUIDs It seems unbelievable that there is a million plus appliances and less then 500K UUIDs getting updates. Do VM appliances downloaded from susestudio then run inside a VM each get a unique UUID, or are the multiple instances failing to be counted? Is there someway going forward to have the UUID encode the source of install. ie. From a normal openSUSE ISO of from a SUSE Studio download. Maybe the appliances tend to be used and not updated via the update repos? Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-project] openSUSE board election up and running
by Thomas Schmidt 03 Dec '13

03 Dec '13

The openSUSE board election just started! Please go to: https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/polls/read/digitaltomm/43818/opensuse-board… and cast your vote for this election. All openSUSE members[1] are eligible to vote. The board consist of one appointed chairperson and 5 elected members who may serve up to 2 consecutive terms on the board. In this election we will have 4 seats to be elected, 2 for a 2 year term, and 2 for a 1 year term. Andrew Waafaa's and Will Stephenson's terms are coming to expiration. Richard Brown's seat is up for election as he got appointed in the board as a replacement for Pascal Bleser. Raymond Wooninck's seat is up for election because he resigned from the board this summer. The 4 candidates with the most votes will be elected for the board. The 2 top voted candidates will get a 2 year term, then next 2 candidates each a 1 year term. Note that no single organization or company can control more than 40 percent of the electable board seats (more than 2 seats). For this election, this means that at max one additional SUSE employee (either Richard or Sascha) can get into the board. The election period ends at December the 15th. All candidates have put their agenda on the wiki[2], linked as "Platform" after the candidates' name. If you have any questions, please contact the election officials (election-officials(a)opensuse.org). Greetings [1] http://en.opensuse.org/Members [2] http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Board_election -- Thomas Schmidt (tom [at] opensuse.org) "Don't Panic", Douglas Adams (11.03.1952 - 11.05.2001) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-project+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, email: opensuse-project+owner(a)opensuse.org

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