September 2012 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-factory] Cinnamon 1.5.7
by Nelson Marques 07 Sep '12

07 Sep '12

While I'm not seriously thinking on submitting cinnamon back to Factory (as I still have my doubts on how to maintain this), I've fixed the cinnamon packages on GNOME:Cinnamon and updated them to the lastest release (less than 24 hours). On openSUSE 12.2 (installed from GNOME Live CD) it quite rocks... Anyone who wants to give it a go, please take a look at the repository layout and good luck. https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=GNOME:Cinnamon NM PS: There's no openSUSE branding and 'cinnamon-settings' can change pretty much the stuff you need. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Tumbleweed vs. 12.2
by Jiri Slaby 07 Sep '12

07 Sep '12

Hi Greg, just a heads-up. I am slowly preparing to upgrade to 12.2 on my laptop. There are packages that are already obsolete with respect to 12.2. So I think all kde-4.8 packages (4.8.5 in kde repo, 4.8.4 in 12.2) and at least the following list from package_list should remain in Tumbleweed after you do the switch to 12.2. I'm currently building those in my home repo to see if there are any other that zypper reports to downgrade. But OBS is slow at these times as there are zillion packages in the queue. devel:tools/systemtap devel:tools/perf Base:System/powertop Base:System/libpcap network:utilities/tcpdump devel:tools:scm/git devel:tools:scm/mercurial Virtualization/kvm Virtualization/qemu thanks, -- js suse labs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Ubuntu Font Family
by Nelson Marques 07 Sep '12

07 Sep '12

Hi, I've packaged ubuntu-font-family a few times, but this packages were made not from the source code, but from the generated .ttf files available for download on Ubuntu Fonts site; I think it would be interesting to have such package on openSUSE as this fonts provide first class hinting and are actually very sweet (awesome alternative for Droid or even M$ fonts). Can we ship those fonts (repackaged from the .ttf) or do we need to build them for scratch? Any ideas to which project I should submit the package ? NM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] KDE 4.9.1
by Basil Chupin 06 Sep '12

06 Sep '12

Many Thanks to all the people who worked hard and frantically to make KDE 4.9.1 available :-) . Great stuff! Thanks! BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.1 & kernel 3.5.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] What the devs miss for not reading the forums ;-)
by Carlos E. R. 06 Sep '12

06 Sep '12

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[opensuse-factory] xdaliclock does not function as expected
by C. Brouerius van Nidek 06 Sep '12

06 Sep '12

After my latest update I have a malfunctioning xdaliclock. I am using it with "xdaliclock -transparent -noseconds -builtin2" but the background won't show as transparent as before. Running it now with a tranparent setting of 50% under "Edit Window-Specific Setting" but this does give me only a complete transparent image of the clock. Xdaliclock, where to send a bug report? A factory problem? Somebody with a solution? -- Linux User 183145 using KDE4 on a Pentium IV , powered by openSUSE 12.3 Milestone 0 (i586) Kernel: 3.5.0-1-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.9.1 "release 561") 13:15pm up 11:50, 1 user, load average: 1.78, 1.07, 0.92 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] unknown key/invalid rule errors by udevd when booting
by Ilya Chernykh 05 Sep '12

05 Sep '12

I created a susestudio image for opensuse 12.2 but each time it boots it spams with several hundreds of messages complaining about unknown key/invalid rule by udevd. It takes about 2-3 minutes each time. I wonder what it could be and how to mitigate this behavior. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] openSUSE 12.2 LiveCD incorrectly detects resolution in Suse Studio
by Ilya Chernykh 05 Sep '12

05 Sep '12

Here is what I have after building a LiveCD http://storage9.static.itmages.ru/i/12/0906/h_1346877053_2127491_dfd81ba811… http://storage2.static.itmages.ru/i/12/0906/h_1346877124_6267459_6881dd115a… The USB/Hard drive image works well and resolution is detected correctly. The 12.1 system with the same software also works well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Subpixel hinting in 12.2
by Ilya Chernykh 05 Sep '12

05 Sep '12

How to enable subpixel hinting? It seems there is no subpixel repo for 12.2 any more. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] [Canon] cups unconfigurable in 12.2
by Felix Miata 05 Sep '12

05 Sep '12

Can anyone print with any kind of Canon? This has always been unnecessarily painful since "upgrading" from a reliable old LaserJet to a Canon MF, but it was easier prior to 11.3, when printing became totally impossible for nearly a year until Canon released a driver update compatible with post-11.2 Cups. In my current 24/7 11.4/KDE3 system I can only count on printing to work printing of plain text files with Firefox. Anything more complicated or in random other apps is likely to flood the print spool and/or cause the printer to error and halt. Same thing happens in 12.1, trying to print a web page in Firefox or Konq4 makes printer "printer data error". This time on a 12.2 system, with a Canon driver updated by Canon just last month, regular user is blocked trying to configure a printer in YaST2 by "restart locally running cups daemon". As root on first in YaST2, I get the printer apparently setup, but nothing happens trying to test print besides what shows up in the cups logs attached, apparently from the sample.drv. On subsequent tries, root gets the same failures as trying to set up as user. Naturally printing from M$ works just fine. Cups output from rpm query is also attached. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/

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[opensuse-factory] 12.2 start-up: can't read the messages
by lynn 05 Sep '12

05 Sep '12

Hi 12.2 boot I get light grey text on a bright green background. I can't read what it says. Can we have a darker text. Black for example? Thanks, L x -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Will openSUSE ever be ported to ARM architecture?
by Ilya Chernykh 05 Sep '12

05 Sep '12

Just wondering. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Dependency faild. Aborted start of Getty on tty1
by Felix Miata 04 Sep '12

04 Sep '12

All my 12.2 systems lacking installed sysvinit-init do this on whichever tty I'm working on, unless I'm slow to login and it shows up on tty1 because I'm not yet working. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] When are new releases made available?
by Basil Chupin 04 Sep '12

04 Sep '12

I asked this question not that long ago and someone (?Andreas) provided the answer but, regrettably, I forgot to make a note of it: at what UTC time and day of the week are new releases normally officially made available for downloading? (My original question also asked if the releases came from Germany or Silicon Valley.) BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.9.0 & kernel 3.5.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] PHP v5.4
by Michael Hirschler 03 Sep '12

03 Sep '12

Hello, I just have a quick question: When can I update in php 5.4 within the openSUSE repositories? I can not find any information about the "process" getting updated from php 5.3 to php 5.4. greets, Michael -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] 12.2 not suitable to replace soon out of support 11.4
by Felix Miata 03 Sep '12

03 Sep '12

[I started writing this 28 Aug, got interrupted, and just hadn't been able to find time to come back to it until now.] Things that used for work just fine in 11.4 or prior don't any more. Many of these are attributable to systemd replacement of sysvinit for init. Some can be worked around by booting with sysvinit instead of systemd. Some are old bugs, some of which filed upstream and either not filed in bugzilla.novell.com at all or not until late in 12.2's development cycle. KDM kcm module conflicts with /etc/sysconfig/displaymanager settings https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=267903 Filed 65 months ago. :-( kdmrc should be in /etc instead of /usr https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=651897 This is not the only instance of openSUSE FHS violation and frustrating complication to backup/restore processes. Other distros put it in /etc/kd*. Why doesn't openSUSE? KMS broke traditional framebuffer modes https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=675793 This installer bug was filed against 11.4 late, but allowed plenty of time for it to be fixed for 12.1. It's been since unimproved, remaining negative installation polish. Those who need non-default video= have to do it manually, while unneeded vga= modes are just sitting there creating the illusion that they are relevant while video= is not. systemd-init boot puts messages on tty1 after agetty starts https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=725913 Fix is known, but bug owner deferred implementing until release.next. Workaround: install non-default init system sysvinit-init back and forward icons missing in 3.6.x https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=732670 filed in November but much older. I really don't understand this one, as the same Mozilla.org Firefox binary run on any other distro I've tried not only has them, but they are legible. workaround: none known other than use another distro KBD_NUMLOCK="yes" in /etc/sysconfig/keyboard does not work under systemd init https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=746595 filed 11 February as a split from https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=720486 filed 26 September, over 11 months prior to 12.2 release Progress: works on some systems, works sometimes or not at all on others Workaround: install non-default init system sysvinit-init [systemd][3 on cmdline] X session tty locations not predictable (:1 not always on tty8; :0 not always on tty7) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=768788 workaround: install non-default init system sysvinit-init No panning with intel or nouveau https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=771521 again late filed against 12.2, but filed upstream as https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=39949 54 weeks ago, not marked fixed, but patch to fix submitted in April workaround: install ATI video (in most cases probably = none) midnight commander no longer opens in current directory https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=775919 filed only recently, but fixed upstream in a minor version increment prior to version freeze workaround: OBS With systemd booting with 3 on cmdline I always see a message "Dependency failed. Aborted stat of Getty on tty1", but haven't looked for a bug about it. It reminds me which systems are running systemd. Most I install sysvinit-init on because systemd still isn't mature enough to be the default on a "polished" distro release. With all the extra time available to eradicate bugs from 12.2, one would think it would show, but I don't see it. To me it looks only marginally better polished than 12.1, which I consider to be the 2nd worst openSUSE release ever. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Infinality Fonts
by Nelson Marques 03 Sep '12

03 Sep '12

Marguerite, I'm testing the infinality fonts (abusing of preload as upstream); do you want me to submit the packages to the project you mentioned in the past? NM -- Nelson Marques /* Y aquel viejo trovador con el alba se marchó, rumbo de nuevo a salvar otra corazón. */ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Remote login problem
by James Knott 03 Sep '12

03 Sep '12

This problem has been around since 12.1. Is there any chance of getting it fixed? Remote login to a desktop has long been a feature with Unix & Linux. It'd really be nice to have it work again. I have to keep an old system around solely for this function. Here's the latest bug report. There are older ones too. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=776522 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Grub2 (in 12.2)
by Basil Chupin 03 Sep '12

03 Sep '12

I used Grub2 when I installed 12.2 Bld #167 DVD iso last earlier today. How do I get to see the boot menu to enter "init 3"on the bott command line (used to be hold down SHIFT to do this)? Anyone know, please? (Need to enter init 3 so as to compile the nVidia driver #304.37.) BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.8.4 & kernel 3.5.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] 12.2 and Quick Launch panel
by Basil Chupin 03 Sep '12

03 Sep '12

Does anyone know, please, why (and the 'fix' for this, if any) in 12.2 with KDE 4.8.4 the order of the icons in the Quick Launch panel never retain their position as I arrange them? In 12.1 this did not happen but it does in 12.2- the stayed put where I positioned them. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.8.4 & kernel 3.5.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] 12.2 (factory-snapshot) version mismatch claws-mail / claws-mail-extra-plugins
by dieter 02 Sep '12

02 Sep '12

Hello, currently in the factory-snapshot http://download.opensuse.org/factory-snapshot/repo/oss/ where http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.2/repo/oss/ redirects incompatible versions of claws-mail and claws-mail-extra-plugins are included: claws-mail-3.8.1-1.1.1 claws-mail-extra-plugins-3.8.0-2.1.3 Therefore e.g. RSSylp is not working. Apart from this I would say 12.2 looks quite good. Kind regards, Dieter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Changes in the openSUSE Review team
by Marguerite Su 02 Sep '12

02 Sep '12

Sorry, forget to cc Factory 在 2012-9-2 上午12:17，"Rajko" <rmatov101(a)charter.net>写道： > In a few years all translations will be in :) > How do you count items? Even in lines of text it is huge. > not yet. the last big improvement of zh_CN translation happened in 11.1 era. there're lots of fuzzys and 30% is totally missing. by lokalize. an item is a msgstr. not a line. a msgstr is at least one line. > New generation of Linux users is different type of users then last > century Linux fans. That explains it. Most of them dont even care what a distribution is. they only care if it can fix the problem she faces. That's my case. the first distro I use is Ubuntu 6.04. But it was not as beautiful as we were. so what are you waiting for? you are a woman, beauty should be all you care about. so I formated my desktop. It is even no logic in their choice. like Systemd dies in openSUSE? then openSUSE should go to hell,I'll use Arch. He dont even notice the fact he will face something more tough than systemd in Arch. That is, new generation is so unstable. They dont want to copy the discovery experience, they just want a. A simple answer. yes or no. if yes, how? if no, why? in 140 characters. then he can show off to others: ha! I sloved a problem! or I can tell why something cant work! b. The developer should be "geekish". They cant imagine the developers are nerds in their 40s, they think they should be just like a rock star...as social animal as they are. The change is so fast and the trend is so clear. at least in China. you are nobody even if you are the author of mysql. but you are somebody if you act cute in your twitter timeline even if you can only code helloworld. How can you imagine the generation who dont even care to know where Vietnanme is will learn who is Linus and respect him? especially he acts like a bastard in his google+? I found there're only few things they accept as "their way": * microblog. facebook. What if cant answer in 140 characters? okay use paste.o.o and give him the link.(that's the way they use such debug things.) What if others also want to know the answer? "if he's my follower he can see. if he's not my follower, then who cares the problem a person that is nobody to you?" * Q&A website like stackoverflow or quora. which clearly shows who you are, which part you are expert in. What if others want to know the same answer? Google is the new religion. No one can help you out if you are really out. And at least these sites are more search engine friendly than ML. if you only use Google you dont even know we have ML. they'll think we developers are actually active on linuxquestions.org or nabble.com or gmane.org. That's why ask.ubuntu.com stuff comes. * forums less popular than the first two. but a place everyone shoule be there, if you can browse the web. they tend to think everyone should visit the forum for at least 10m a day in his favorate area. So how can I tell them developers are actually in ML? they will say forget about the ML! they should be in forums tracing their users and fans! that's why there're complaints about "cant edit after 5m". they know it's for goodness of nntp. but in their mind nntp is something shouldnt exist at all in the new century after you have a powerful web browser. * wiki. The last front line. as a fallback. wiki is still popular because it has something social like many people edit a same page. So now you know why Mac has 15 year old developers while we dont. because openSUSE developers / expert users are mainly aged 30+. You already get used to the tools in last century. But your son aged people think they dont have access to such tools. or they dont even want to. they just choose to turn around and walk away if you force them to. We already lack behind in this area. to social doesnt mean to have an account and act like zombie or bots. > One developer can answer to one user, not to all that have a problem. > The only way to solve this is to have communication between developers > and halfway educated users, some kind of interest groups, or fandoms, so > that there is someone that can actually answer to all users that have a > problem, write wiki, make a movie. > Yes. That also why we developers need to reach our audience, the half educated users instead of waiting them to reach us. half educated users are still users. They probably good at reporting bugs and read wikis than ordinary users. but less chance to show up in a heavy traffic ML mainly talking about things they dont even have a concept. unless he himself is already a half edcuated developer like student majors in CS. That's why I didnt subscribe to our Kernel ML. because it's really painful to see emails I dont know what they are talking about filling my inbox full. So how could you hope kernel dev has a backup user group? even normal dev cant even know their meanings.... > It would be not a problem if that is only one subject, but that is how > it happens all over the wiki. It is more rule that docs are not checked > for validity when revision of underlying software is changed then > exception. In other words each developer, or software title, is missing > fans that will take care of details, or notify responsible person about > changes, so that developer can focus on software development, but docs > are updated when needed. > yes. we need a fans' army who may dont know how it is coded but know how to set it up and get it worked. But that group is cultivated by yourself instead of growing themselves. If you are a kernel dev. dont expect to see users know the functions, never. but at least you should teach them what a kernel is and how to basically debug it. That part will never expires unless the dev tool is changed. To teach means at first you should prepare the tutorial, secondly you should make sure the tutorials reach the target group. eg: adrian and coolo have us all "half educated" users to help write packaging chapters. but that's rare case because they develop a dev concentrated tool. But it is taken as a common case which users will find them among us developers. What if you are an input method dev? the mechanics is no less painful than kernel and everyone use it. You need to hunt everywhere until a group of users knows how to solve common problems grows. and you keep them updated and growing. What if you just seat and wait? congrats! because after a few months you will find you dont even need to bother for that any more. users shrinks really fast because input method is the middleman between you and you computer, if you cant input, certainly you will change the tool ASAP. We openSUSE do have half educated users but I personally dont think they are growing. In forums you will see the QA desk is always the few people group. even in chit-chat forum... personally I think it may be because users are gathering at one place but devs gather at another. see XDA forum, devs dont even need to tell how to flash a rom on a particular device. but our users are still asking the repeated for a long time that make you sick questions. Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Fwd: [opensuse-project] 12.2 and GRUB2
by Basil Chupin 01 Sep '12

01 Sep '12

My apologies. I accidentally posted this question in Project :-( . ............................... Will 12.2 have a fully working version of GRUB2 or would we still have to rely on Grub Legacy when installing 12.2? Thanks for any advice or info as to where I can find the answer. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.8.4 & kernel 3.5.3-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner(a)opensuse.org

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