September 2008 - openSUSE Factory - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-factory] New YaST partitioner in Factory
by Stanislav Visnovsky 15 Oct '08

15 Oct '08

Hi! The factory tree now contains a full rewrite of the YaST partitioning module. It provides much saner GUI environment, especially for handling more complex setups involving RAID, volume management etc. The same interface is used during installation as the expert partitoner. However, the change is rather radical and big also regarding the code change. It would be great to get feedback, both on UI as well as reporting bugs (the known ones are assigned to either Arvin (aschnell) or Bubli (kmachalkova) - please check to avoid reporting duplicates). The package is yast2-storage >= 2.17.8. Enjoy! Stano --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] factory to beta3 and other
by Putrycz, Erik 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

Is there a simple way to upgrade from factory to beta3 and in the future to the final release? I'm not sure I always will want to live in factory land. Erik. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] NTP configuration in Yast does not choose a default server?
by Birger Kollstrand 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

Hi, I'm a bit confused over the NTP server configuration in Yast (KDE). It seems like it does not set up a default NTP server when it's started. Would it not be best if it's chosen from http://www.pool.ntp.org/ and matches the country you're in? It's maybe almost as that is the only servers that should be in the Yast list. Regards Birger -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] zypper-0.12.7 update/list-updates now defaults to --type package
by Jano Kupec 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

To anyone who uses 'zypper update' or 'zypper list-updates' without explicitly specifying the --type option: the default has been changed from 'patch' to 'package' since zypper 0.12.7 For more info see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=395480 cheers, jano -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] non-oss software on our media?
by Michael Loeffler 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

Hi, we discussed already once [1] the situation with proprietary software on our distribution. We agreed on the list and in an IRC project meeting that it's not nice but is very convenient for many users and should stay therefor on media. I'm opening the discussion again as with that we never will achieve a user friendly licence as already copying of our software on DVD is not allowed and even some mirrors have an issue with this licence. We receive on a regular base inquiries in this regards and bad press [2]. Here is our proposal for new discussion. *Ship any media of openSUSE with open source software and proprietary software which allows redistribution (eg. firmware), for details [3]. *Add during installation automatically an online repo with the non-OSS stuff and install per default flashplayer (5MB) and the fluendo plug-in (210K) for mp3. This would allow us to offer a user friendly end user licence agreement (EULA) and would remove the cause of bad press and angry users reading the EULA really carefully. Some background info: - survey of usage of proprietary[4] software showed that only flashplayer and acroread really are used by a majority of users (Java is not an issue anymore as we ship with 11.1 openJDK) - with the distribution of 90%+ of broadband access amongst our users flashplayer via online repo shouldn't be a problem. And without internet access flashplayer won't be an issue for anybody. - For acroread we're sure that the open source alternatives (kpdf, evince, okular) are at same level with acroread. The only drawback we're aware of is the missing functionality PDF Forms offers today. We're asking for your buy-in for having a more friendly EULA, to make the distribution of openSUSE easier and get the software in more hands. BTW: we'll replace the proprietary agfa-fonts with the open source alternative Liberation fonts with openSUSE 11.1. Best Michael [1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2007-07/msg00050.html [2] http://lwn.net/Articles/283555/ [3] http://en.opensuse.org/Non_oss_software [4] http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/c/ce/SurveySummary_proprietary_softwa… -- Michael Löffler, Product Management SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Old NVIDIA Cards
by Joachim Reichelt 01 Oct '08

01 Oct '08

Is there a way to get nvidia drivers running on 11.1b1? I have a GF4 (in my notebook) So I cannot use the 1xx.xx drivers e.v. 177.78. The latest is 96.43.05 -- Joachim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Time till suspend
by Joachim Reichelt 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

How do I set the time, a notebook waits till getting suspended? -- Joachim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Re: [Bug 224476] ERROR: missing comment in bug page
by Felix Miata 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

On 2008/09/26 04:26 (GMT-0600) bugzilla_noreply(a)novell.com composed: > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=224476 > User jreidinger(a)novell.com added comment > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=224476#c27 > --- Comment #27 from Josef Reidinger <jreidinger(a)novell.com> 2008-09-26 04:26:06 MDT --- > Created an attachment (id=241908) > --> (https://bugzilla.novell.com/attachment.cgi?id=241908) > patch for update-bootloader > this do something as your skip, only you must set none to LOADER_TYPE I tried to reply in this bug, but the bug page is defective in both Firefox 2.0.0.17, FF 3.0.2, Epiphany, Opera & Konq on 10.2, and in SeaMonkey 1.1.12 on OS/2. It shows the new attachment, but it fails to show comment #27, all whether logged in or not. -- "Unless the Lord builds the house, its builders labor in vain." Psalm 127:1 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Czech Packagers Team meeting minutes 2008-09-25
by Anicka Bernathova 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Czech Packagers Team meeting minutes 2008-09-25 =============================================== Present: anicka, anosek, mkudlvasr, mmarek, mvyskocil, nadvornik, pgajdos, prusnak, puzel, sbrabec Minutes: anicka Topics: (1) Installation of beta 1 (2) Dropping of eclipse-cdt (3) VirtualBox 2.0.2 (1) Installation of beta 1 ========================== Most of us tried to install beta 1. We have encountered various problems, some people could not start X at all, others could not get the console. Sbrabec noticed that gnome application are segfaulting silently, without any information window being showed. We had also various problems with dhcp client and bootloader, we have reported some bugs. (2) Dropping of eclipse-cdt =========================== Anosek announced dropping of package eclipse-cdt. He pointed out that this package can be easily installed through Eclipse update tool like any other plugin, difficult updating of our obsolete RPM would be thus just lots of quite useless work. (3) VirtualBox 2.0.2 ==================== Mkudlvasr updated VirtualBox to the upstream version 2.0.2. It will be available for 11.1. Status reports: anicka - perl-Tk: fix one build bug, report second one (bnc#430569) - discuss future development of openSUSE-Stats with rlihm (he will take care for design) - setserial: investigate bnc#42952 anosek - went through the bugs in Bugzilla: resolved: #384906, #400168, #297631, #359321, #353522, #304703, #351057, #249915, #221420 worked on: #360529, #340919, #303904 - tried to update eclipse-cdt, finally dropped this package - bnc-team-java has now 21 opened bugs in Bugzilla mkudlvasr - updated virtualbox to 2.0.2 - got "Clarity Integration Guide" from Cheryl Williams. wow 372 pages - playing with clarity testing server mmarek - obs wizard bug (http://forums.opensuse.org/programming-scripting/opensuse-build-service-obs… +package-wizard.html) + turned out to be a problem with deployment of new code - updated tog-pegasus - fixed some kbd / yast2-keyboard bugs with jsuchomel (bnc#367801, bnc#116143) - updated swig to 1.3.36 - fixed mysql's configure options to better match the upstream provided binaries (bnc#427384) - working on Contrib mvyskocil - Installation of Beta1 - a lot of problems, especially with broken x86_64 GRUB [bnc#428127] - Java:jpackage-1.7 - fixed builds and new package - aspectj - Fixed links in Java:packages (from openSUSE:Factory) project pgajdos - worked on #389339 gtkspell defaults to English - installed beta1 - fixed #429440 man page getdents(2) is outdated prusnak - libselinux, libsemanage, libsepol: require only version, not release [bnc#429053] - scout: optimizing zypp search with Duncan and Klaus, do not launch command-not-found while inside mc shell - sysstat: investigating [bnc#420333], no success yet - sysstat: changed parameter "-d" to "-S ALL" in crontab to match the new syntax [bnc#430184] puzel - updated gpa, rsync, libksba - parted: research on extX filesystems handling (bnc#417950) - parted: closed (bnc#377339) - installed openSUSE 11.1 Beta1 and SLES 11 Beta1 - fetchmail: build fixes sbrabec hal: Fixing bi-arch clash (bnc#304316). - Installing openSUSE 11.1 beta1. Working around and reporting problems. - recode: Preparing update to version 3.7, testing and debugging regressions. - gimp: Preparing package for update to version 2.6 in Factory. - pam_pkcs11: Porting SuSE patches for upstreaming, fixing bnc#351207. - nut: Debugging of installation failure (bnc#429557). - gegl: Debugging new build failure. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Beta1, black vertical stripes during install
by Aaron Bockover 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Actually, this bug covers it: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=426370 It's a bug in an optimized pixman path (SSE2) when doing simple alpha blending. Should be fixed in beta 2. --Aaron >>> "Birger Kollstrand" <birger.kollstrand(a)googlemail.com> 09/29/08 5:32 PM >>> This bug covers it: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=429070 Regards Birger 2008/9/29 Andrew Joakimsen <joakimsen(a)gmail.com>: > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 3:11 PM, Birger Kollstrand > <birger.kollstrand(a)googlemail.com> wrote: >> During install there are black vertical stripes on the background >> making it hard to read. I searched Bugzilla and did not find anything >> relevant. Is this a known problem? > > I noticed the same thing on a Dell D610 with ATI graphics and another > system I pieced together with a Compaq (MSI board but it has the > HP/Compaq BIOS) main board and ATI 690G graphics. I did not report a > bug because I assume these are minor installer issues that have not > been sorted out yet (it also says its the openSUSE 11.0 installer, and > has the same graphics as such) > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Beta1, black vertical stripes during install
by Birger Kollstrand 29 Sep '08

29 Sep '08

Hi. During install there are black vertical stripes on the background making it hard to read. I searched Bugzilla and did not find anything relevant. Is this a known problem? Regards Birger -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Beta1, background goes white after changing themes back and forth
by Birger Kollstrand 29 Sep '08

29 Sep '08

Hi, I kept changing themes a few times in KDE4.1 and the background went white. The problem is repeatable. Regards Birger -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] USB assignment
by Robert Lewis 28 Sep '08

28 Sep '08

I realize that this is probably the wrong list to be writing this. However, it would seem like something to make more user friendly unless I am being foolish with such a question. I have a USB drive that I use to backup my important files to where the USB drive has an ext filesystem. I wrote a script to do the backup but I find that when I plug in the USB drive it doesn't always end up as the same device so my script fails or needs changing each time to reflect where the drive went. Yes, it's obviously a mountable drive. When I plug it in my SUSE 11.0 pops up a screen saying it noticed the device and asks me if I want to open it. That works. Then I know where it is and can point my script to it. However, I want to have my program figure it out or have a specific USB port reserved for this purpose. Cheers, Bob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] LVM and 11.1 Beta 1
by Richard (MQ) 28 Sep '08

28 Sep '08

Has anyone successfully installed 11.1 beta 1 to an LVM based system? I get a boot failure: > waiting for /dev/system/root to appear - OK > node name not found > invalid root filesystem -- exiting to /bin/sh The partitions are set thus: sda1 /boot ext2, Formatted sda2 swap sda3,4 not used here (another OSL system) sdb1 swap sdb2 LVM (default settings) LVM-root / ext3, Formatted LVM-home /home ext3, Formatted LVM-data /data ext3, Not formatted Desktop KDE4.1 FWIW; everything else is default settings. Before I re-do installation (tomorrow) with remote YaST logging so that I can open a bug report, I'm interested to see if anyone else has tried a similar setup? -- Cheers Richard (MQ) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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RE: [opensuse-factory] non-oss software on our media?
by Andrew Wafaa 26 Sep '08

26 Sep '08

Excellent idea, as long as the applications are easily accessible for those that have looser morals (like me). Mandriva only have this as two out of the three media are pay for only. I agree with Martin's suggestion of pop-ups. The number of different media can't be more than one dvd and two cds (yes, we the community can help create more, if there is demand). Regards, Andy P.S. Sorry for the top post. -- Andrew Wafaa, openSUSE Member GNOME / Marketing / Board Election openSUSE: Get It, Discover It, Create It at http://www.opensuse.org -----Original Message----- From: Alexey Eremenko Sent: 26/09/2008 16:26:30 To: opensuse-factory(a)opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] non-oss software on our media? OSS PDF readers simply cannot read complex PDFs, where different pages have different sizes, etc... Many e-books use this PDF feature. Acrobat Reader is a must. What is possible is to have 1 medias: 1 DVD for normal users and 1 DVD for Free Software geeks. The 1 DVD for normal users should also have MPEG4/MP3 codecs preinstalled. Mandriva does that. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Factory install no longer boots
by Dominique Leuenberger 26 Sep '08

26 Sep '08

On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 16:08 +0200, Dave Plater wrote: > I've just had this message from zypper, it maybe will give you a clue:- > Installing: kernel-pae-2.6.27-rc5.git9.6 [error] > Installation of kernel-pae-2.6.27-rc5.git9.6 failed: > (with --nodeps --force) Error: Subprocess failed. Error: RPM failed: Setting up /lib/modules/2.6.27-rc5-git9-6-pae Interesting dave... when I checked today, in Factory was no longer the rc5 kernel, but the final 2.6.27. I'm pretty sure you still have the url pointing to download.opensuse.org/distribution/... which is no longer maintained... (according news.o.o)... Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Factory install no longer boots
by Dominique Leuenberger 26 Sep '08

26 Sep '08

On Fri, 2008-09-26 at 16:27 +0200, Matthias Koenig wrote: > Hi, > > "Dominique Leuenberger" <Dominique.Leuenberger(a)TMF-Group.com> writes: > > > The bad thing now is, that it does not come up anymore... actually not > > even the grub bootloader comes up.. I can see 'loading grub, please > > wait' (or alike), but grub menu os selection never appears. > > > > How hosed is my install ? :) Which would be the best tip you can give me > > (I was planning on booting from CD, checking the boot folder, checking > > the grub setup, maybe invoking 'setup' from withing grub again... but > > you might have a shorter / faster trick at hand). > > Looks like you ran into > https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=428127 > > The thing is that even a manual grub setup does not work, because it > is broken itself. You need a fixed grub first Matthis, Thank you very much. It indeed looks like this one. Interestingly, when searching in bugzilla I had this one open but did not read far enough through to associate it to my problem... Well, I subscribed to the bug, so I'm aware when a new version of grub will be pushed out. In the meantime I'll just go with an older version of grub, like all the others. curious to see what actually broke. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Factory install no longer boots
by Dominique Leuenberger 26 Sep '08

26 Sep '08

Hello, This morning I changed the repo URLs from the /distribution path to the /repository path (/factory is still empty). Invoked a zypper dup, which of course 'downgraded' a lot of packages, which is not really surprising, as the release tags were just lower.. but version-vise it looked ok. The solver did not have any issues, no complains. After the installation of all the packages (which passed without problem too), I restarted the system. The bad thing now is, that it does not come up anymore... actually not even the grub bootloader comes up.. I can see 'loading grub, please wait' (or alike), but grub menu os selection never appears. How hosed is my install ? :) Which would be the best tip you can give me (I was planning on booting from CD, checking the boot folder, checking the grub setup, maybe invoking 'setup' from withing grub again... but you might have a shorter / faster trick at hand). Thanks for all your suggestions, Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Why do some factory packages have lower versions than 11.0
by Dave Plater 26 Sep '08

26 Sep '08

Hi, I have just noticed that there are more than 175 packages in the temporary factory that have versions lower than 11.0, is it safe to update yet or should I wait? Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Package Build ?
by Günther J. Niederwimmer 26 Sep '08

26 Sep '08

Hello, have any a workaround for build ? all packages "build" are broken (test , tools, factory, distry ) a long time (openSUSE 10.2), it is never possible to create a package for a older distry like 10.3, it is also never possible to create a driver update for the new kernel (AVM)? build don't include the update directory, or better it use only the kernel from the source ? -- mit freundlichen Grüßen / best Regards, Günther J. Niederwimmer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Trouble shooting frozen keyboard and mouse on x screen
by Dave Plater 25 Sep '08

25 Sep '08

Hi, does anyone have any suggestions about where to look for the cause of frozen keyboard and mouse on any x screen, including sax2's own x. Regards Dave P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] Failed factory update
by Pepe Tops 25 Sep '08

25 Sep '08

Hi,I must changed repository yesterday because I had problems with the old one.I use smart to update my system and change to http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Factory/standard/ like you. Well,the only thing I can say is I had no problems when I did it.Is true that when I update kernels I preferd smart because is so easy for me have the new kernel and not delete the old one thinking perhaps there were a problems with new kernel (is not the first time I see it). In this case,for me the better way is wait a few hours that all return to normality on repositories server. Regards and have luck Chema 2008/9/25 Dave Plater <dave.plater(a)yahoo.co.uk> > Hi, I tried to update my system via yast to > http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Factory/standard/ and > ended up in a state where my mouse and keyboard failed on any x screen, > including sax2 at runlevel 3, consoles all worked fine including gpm mouse. > I also had a situation where kernel sources and syms were updated to > 2.6.27-7.2.i586 but my kernel-pae-2.6.27-rc5.git9.6.i586 remained. Is this a > bug or a transitory problem due to me upgrading from the wrong place at the > wrong time. I spent yesterday trying to get a working system but eventually > had to do a clean install from 11.0 dvd. Is it impossible to update in this > way at the moment? I unfortunately failed to save my logs. > Regards > Dave P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Failed factory update
by Dave Plater 25 Sep '08

25 Sep '08

Hi, I tried to update my system via yast to http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/openSUSE:/Factory/standard/ and ended up in a state where my mouse and keyboard failed on any x screen, including sax2 at runlevel 3, consoles all worked fine including gpm mouse. I also had a situation where kernel sources and syms were updated to 2.6.27-7.2.i586 but my kernel-pae-2.6.27-rc5.git9.6.i586 remained. Is this a bug or a transitory problem due to me upgrading from the wrong place at the wrong time. I spent yesterday trying to get a working system but eventually had to do a clean install from 11.0 dvd. Is it impossible to update in this way at the moment? I unfortunately failed to save my logs. Regards Dave P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] network install for opensuse-factory 11.1beta1
by jazzis 25 Sep '08

25 Sep '08

Is there a net boot install for opensuse-factory 11.1beta1? and if so where is the directory? Thanks, Dave Meadows --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Where are we CONTRIB?
by Andreas Jaeger 24 Sep '08

24 Sep '08

Could somebody involved with the contrib repository explain what the current status is and what are the next steps? Thanks, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj(a)suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-factory] SLE 11 Beta
by Andrew Joakimsen 24 Sep '08

24 Sep '08

Anyone know the download URL for SLE 11.0 beta? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] openSUSE and Ubuntu's BulletBroof X
by Alexey Eremenko 24 Sep '08

24 Sep '08

Hi All ! I believe everyonw has read that: http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2008091902235NWSW In short: Today openSUSE's X server crashes if the video card gets upgraded. After reboot X doesn't start = reformat and reinstall <- That's what all new users will do. Do we want this reaction? Obviously not. BulletProof is a technology that can detect changed video card, and use VESA driver instead automatically, without the need for using command-line. I would like to see this technology adapted for openSUSE. What do you think of it ? -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Status openSUSE distribution
by Christoph Thiel 24 Sep '08

24 Sep '08

Hi everyone, we don't have any Beta1 test builds yet, since we had to trigger a complete rebuild very late in the process -- therefore we are still bootstrapping the distribution and expect first test builds sometime tomorrow. I'll keep you posted on the upcoming Beta1 release! Best, Christoph -- Christoph Thiel, Tech. Project Management, Research & Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Yast improvment ide?
by Birger Kollstrand 24 Sep '08

24 Sep '08

Hi, I just want to air an idea regarding Yast. We are using SLES and openSUSE in the company as our main Linux offering.Yast is the keys to why we use those in stead of anything else. But it's no supprise that most of our newcommers have never used Linux before (We are a 90% SW company and still....) Yast is then a very good starting point for them. One thing that is an obstacle is that not all services that Yast can provide are easily visible and this is where my ide comes inn. would it be possible/nice etc. to have an extra tab in the Yast Controll Senter section that reads something like "Uninstalled servers and services". In this sectio would all uninstalled yast options be listed. I think this would greatly help newcommers to find their way around all the possibilities that are present. If there is anyone else who thinks this might be usefull, then I'll add it as an improvement suggestion. cu / birger.... Devoteam Telecom Norway AS --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Make sure that CD 1 is in your drive.
by Ben Popatopalous 23 Sep '08

23 Sep '08

I've burned the 11.1 Beta 1 x86_64 DVD twice. It will boot with Suse graphics and all then after selecting 'Installation' it loads kernel into a text mode installer and gives the error: Make sure that CD 1 is in your drive. I can by using back button get 2 other errors: This is not a openSuse CD-ROM. and: No repositories found. I tried again using k3b. By default it burns DVD's at 4.1x with my DVD writer. I selected the slowest speed it offers 2.4x. When I booted it I got exact same results as before. :~/Documents/openSUSE-11.1-Beta1-DVD-x86_64-iso> md5sum openSUSE-11.1-Beta1-DVD-x86_64.iso d703398fbc34dabffc83b7f471efa847 openSUSE-11.1-Beta1-DVD-x86_64.iso md5sum matches what is found here: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1-Beta1/iso/delta/MD5SUMS.of.D… I then deleted torrent and data in Azureus and started download again from: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1-Beta1/iso/torrent/openSUSE-1… which is currently downloading. However it now gives md5sum as: :~/Documents/openSUSE-11.1-Beta1-DVD-x86_64-iso> md5sum openSUSE-11.1-Beta1-DVD-x86_64.iso 9e5efb791eb1736f83a53d4586d3e508 openSUSE-11.1-Beta1-DVD-x86_64.iso Even though: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1-Beta1/iso/delta/MD5SUMS.of.D… still lists correct md5sum as: 46258d054f334c623169225424826dbb openSUSE-11.1-Beta1-DVD-i386.iso d703398fbc34dabffc83b7f471efa847 openSUSE-11.1-Beta1-DVD-x86_64.iso I'm confused as to why installer didn't work? Am I doing something wrong? Also why md5sum is different? Keeping in mind that it is currently downloading. It is listed as 3.68GB which is a bit smaller than Alpha2 I think. That seems strange also. -- Thanks, ben popatopalous --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Networkmanager doesn't work with wireless ath5k
by Daniel Fuhrmann 23 Sep '08

23 Sep '08

Hi, something seems to be wrong with networkmanager in 11.1b. I have an AR 5212/13 wireless card, and with all 11.1Alpha I run it with the kernel ath5k and network manager. First I did an zypper -dup to 11.1b and my wireless network failed. I did a new install with 11.1b DVD and got no connection with wireless network and ath5k and network manager. With ifup it worked. Then i installed 11.0 and upgraded with 11.1b DVD: First the kernel => network worked. Then I updated networkmanager and I got no connection. Can this anybody reproduce? -- Neues Auto? http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=71780305 http://www.autoscout24.de/Details.aspx?ts=290937.5&id=beuidujcy3yo --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Status openSUSE distribution
by Christoph Thiel 23 Sep '08

23 Sep '08

Hi everyone, here is a short status update on the openSUSE distribution: - Beta1 has been released late last week * x86_64 delta ISO is broken, and won't be fixed, due to the e1000e issue that came up in the meantime * Serious e1000e Driver Issue in SLE 11 Beta 1 and openSUSE 11.1 Beta 1: http://news.opensuse.org/2008/09/22/serious-e1000e-driver-issue-in-sle-11-b… - currently missing in Beta1 and upcoming for Beta2: * ppc ISOs * mini ISOs * LiveCD Best, Christoph -- Christoph Thiel, Tech. Project Management, Research & Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Upcomming Factory Changes
by Adrian Schröter 23 Sep '08

23 Sep '08

Hi, please note the upcomming changes in our factory distribution setup: http://news.opensuse.org/2008/09/23/upcoming-factory-changes/ This means that we will juggle around the diretories on our ftp server and switch also the signing key, since factory is built now in the external Build Service. bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) email: adrian(a)suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] 11.1-beta 1 cd
by Dave Plater 23 Sep '08

23 Sep '08

Hi, is a cd iso of beta 1 going to be available at some stage? Regards Dave P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] yast2 drbd Error while creating client module
by Ralf Prengel 23 Sep '08

23 Sep '08

as described in the subject something for bugzilla or a local problem here? -- i.A. Ralf Prengel Customer Care Manager Comline AG Hauert 8 D-44227 Dortmund/Germany Fon +49231 97575- 904 Fax +49231 97575- 905 EMail ralf.prengel(a)comline.de -- www.comline.de Vorstand Stephan Schilling, Erwin Leonhardi Aufsichtsrat Dr. Franz Schoser (Vorsitzender) HR Dortmund B 14570 USt.-ID-Nr. DE 124727422 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] 11.1 beta download fully broken
by Andrew Joakimsen 22 Sep '08

22 Sep '08

http://software.opensuse.org/developer 1) Says "Currently you can download DVDs only via BitTorrent."... but when I select bit torrent there is no download option 2) select standard download and the link is http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1-Beta1/iso/dvd/openSUSE-10.2-… --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Beta 1 experiences
by nordi 22 Sep '08

22 Sep '08

Hi all! I just wanted to share some experiences with beta 1 and also figure out what is a bug or simply not yet finished ;-) - Although configured for Germany keyboard layout, I had the American keyboard layout while working in the installer. For me this was just annoying in the partitioner, but people with "y" or "z" in their passwords may not be able to log in. I haven't tried that out, but if you cannot log in, now you know why. Is that just part of "translation is not yet finished" or should I file a bug report? - Trying to format / with XFS went well at first, but during package installation the installer stalled. A process called "grub" was taking 99% CPU, if I am not mistaken this happened while grub was being installed so it was probably some pre- or post-install script of the rpm. Installing with ext3 went without problems. Is XFS supposed to work for / or should the partitioner prevent this setting? - The background in the installer looks horrible with its vertical grey stripes. Will that be replaced with some nifty design or is this the final look? - Concerning KDE3 support: Is bug #427692 just an internal joke or is this meant seriously? Regards nordi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] last update delete smart from my system
by Chema 22 Sep '08

22 Sep '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all. I suppose is a new python update but at this moment I have no smart in my system and I like it so much...basically because if I have not smart I have not more updates... ;) Regards - -- Chema Ollés Usuario Linux: #198057 openSUSE -Alpha3plus kernel-2.6.27-rc5-git9-6-default #1 SMP 2008-09-08 10:07:50 +0200 i686 GNU/Linux -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkjJDCUACgkQm5lTdgS9W1/VjwCffnX4ZMZT2rFB4naKQIqkZwSa OgcAnApByvP36UIUgF4ZOoRwCdPWGwgu =q/rO -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Can't a mini of Beta to boot
by Per Jessen 21 Sep '08

21 Sep '08

I usually use a 40Mb chunk of the iso image to create a mini CD. This has always worked fine. This time however, I can't get the CD to boot. Tried it twice, but no joy. I also noticed that the Beta1 ISO size is some 500Mb smaller the Alpha2? /Per Jessen, Zürich --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] beta 1 delta iso's
by Ken Schneider - Factory 21 Sep '08

21 Sep '08

Rastislav Krupanský pecked at the keyboard and wrote: > it seems yes. have a look, that guy has the same issue. > > http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2008-09/msg00349.html > > Regards, Rasto > Apparently we are the only two that did get the same exact error as no one else has acknowledged that the error exists or that there is a work around. Is there a workaround/fix for the error? Perhaps as was pointed out the delta iso is rather small and it seems that it must be missing a lot of updates even though the md5sum checks as correct. Ken PS, please do not top post and keep all replies to the list. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] beta 1 delta iso's
by Ken Schneider - Factory 20 Sep '08

20 Sep '08

I'm trying to apply openSUSE-11.1-Alpha2_Beta1-DVD-x86_64.delta.iso to openSUSE-11.1-Alpha2-DVD-x86_64.iso and am getting the following error after the gnuplot.x86_64 package name: indata read 2813 bytes fail I checked the md5sums on both iso and they check as correct. Is anyone else having this problem? Anyone have a solution? Ken --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Metadiscussion about KDE 4 thread
by Andreas Jaeger 20 Sep '08

20 Sep '08

Reading Felix-Nicolai's blog post, I'd like to get your input on the following statement from him: I believe that openSUSE is supposed to be a community based and community driven product. While many devs work for Novell and do great work, openSUSE does also depend on its many users. So they should get a hear. It is not OK to only raise this issue on a factory mailinglist - a mailinglist a regular user will never see. * factory was setup as list for future development of the openSUSE distribution. Why is that not working? Where would you expect to have general discussion about the direction of the distribution? * openSUSE is community based and community driven - but we have Novell engineers doing engineering work with limited time and resources. Community means not only discussion but also contribution - and I've heard many requests about KDE3 and KDE4 but so far only saw Carlos stepping up and saying "KDE3 is so important for me that I create a KDE3 LiveCD for openSUSE 11.0". It's good to get input and help with prioritization but how can we get more people working on KDE to maintain KDE3 and to improve KDE4? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj(a)suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-factory] LiveCD´s aren´t available again
by Rastislav Krupanský 20 Sep '08

20 Sep '08

Why? And will they be for Beta1? Regards, Rasto --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] alpha2 to beta1 applydeltaiso failure [x86_64]
by Satoru Matsumoto 20 Sep '08

20 Sep '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Lists, I downloaded openSUSE-11.1-Alpha2_Beta1-DVD-x86_64.delta.iso and did % applydeltaiso openSUSE-11.1-Alpha2-DVD-x86_64.iso \ openSUSE-11.1-Alpha2_Beta1-DVD-x86_64.delta.iso \ openSUSE-11.1-Beta1-DVD-x86_64.iso And I got the failure: ... [snip] gnumeric.x86_64 (lzma.2): applying delta gnuplot.x86_64 (lzma.2): applying delta indata read 2813 bytes failed I checked MD5SUM of openSUSE-11.1-Alpha2_Beta1-DVD-x86_64.delta.iso, and it was OK. But I think it suspicious that the size of openSUSE-11.1-Alpha2_Beta1-DVD-x86_64.delta.iso(260M) is too smaller than that of openSUSE-11.1-Alpha2_Beta1-DVD-i386.delta.iso(895M). Is that the right delta.iso ? - -- _/_/_/ To be Happy! _/_/_/ _/_/ Satoru Matsumoto _/_/ _/ helios_reds(a)gmx.net _/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkjUeHIACgkQXnHIfHE6+z3yvACbBURqbkUmto1j4QagrGIaQyqM tXoAn0FJDZWkbbeRK8QFOhnRkloGZM2b =S4iL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] satsolver-tools out of sync
by Dave Plater 18 Sep '08

18 Sep '08

Hi, the satsolver-tools 0.10.11-2 in factory is out of sync with zypper,yast etc. Yast2-qt-pkg and libzypp cannot be updated as a result. Regards Dave P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] How to disable rpmlint check "devel-file-in-non-devel-package (Badness: 50)"
by Stefan Dirsch 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

Hi Build of project games, package freedink-data fails due to tons of these error messages E: devel-file-in-non-devel-package (Badness: 50) /usr/share/dink/dink/Story/S3-BOWL.c These are files required during runtime by the game engine, not C sources! How can I disable this rpmlint check? Adding the file rpmlintrc with the following content # This line is mandatory to access the configuration functions from Config import * addFilter("freedink-data devel-file-in-non-devel-package") did not help at all. :-( Best regards, Stefan P.S.: games/freedink-data is a link to games/freedink, so you find the sources to the packages in games/freedink. Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] pm-profiler?
by Felix Miata 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

What is it? It prevents 'shutdown -h now' success (Pentium III Coppermine on 2.6.27.rc5-git9.6-default). Console messages tail: Master Resource Control: runlevel 0 has been reached Failed services in runlevel 0: ntp (happened only when I tried to duplicate) Skipped services in runlevel 0: pm-profiler [no power off] -- "Unless the Lord builds the house, its builders labor in vain." Psalm 127:1 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Will Vista's Dark Clouds Mar the Windows 7 Horizon?
by Fred A. Miller 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

M Harris wrote: > On Tuesday 09 September 2008 23:00, Fred A. Miller wrote: >> Will Vista's Dark Clouds Mar the Windows 7 Horizon? >> ------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> In a recent survey of its customers running Microsoft's Windows > > What horizon? The one that they hope will recover the 20+% of the market that Linux and Apple "own" in the US, and even greater outside the US. Most people still assume that the 94% of the US desktop market that MickySoft says they have is correct, but is a BIG FAT LIE. They've been damaged world wide, with DEEP "cuts" into their share of the pie, and loosing daily. Fred -- “While addressing the [GOP convention], Sarah Palin criticized Barack Obama for not having enough ‘specifics.’ Obama was reportedly angry about the claim, but didn’t say exactly why.” —Conan O’Brien --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] KDE Announcement from opensuse-announce
by Larry Stotler 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

Just got the following from the announce list: -----Original Message----- From: Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier <jzb(a)zonker.net> To: opensuse-announce(a)opensuse.org Sent: Tue, 9 Sep 2008 4:02 pm Subject: [opensuse-announce] KDE in openSUSE 11.1 and beyond After receiving a great deal of feedback on the issue of KDE 3.5 inclusion in openSUSE 11.1, the KDE team has decided to take the following course of action. * KDE 3.5 will be part of the DVD media for openSUSE 11.1, though we may need to slim the package selection for 3.5 sightly. * KDE 3.5 will not be included on the main desktop selection page, but will be included with other desktop environments and window managers like Xfce, WindowMaker, etc. * This will be the last release with KDE 3.5 packages maintained by the current KDE team. We are not opposed to continued development of KDE 3.5 by the community, however, and would be happy to work with contributors who are interested in packaging KDE 3.5.x for future releases of openSUSE. * KDE 3.5 will not be included on 11.2 "official" media or in the release repository for 11.2, but the community certainly has the option of creating KDE 3.5 packages in the build service, and creating live CDs with KDE 3.5 packages for 11.2. * The Novell KDE team will only be addressing P1 (high priority) bugs for KDE 3.5.x from this point forward. Again, this does not preclude community contributors from supporting KDE 3.5.x, and we encourage them to do so. We'd like to thank all the people who helped provide constructive feedback while we evaluated the best course for the next release of openSUSE. While we know that no solution is guaranteed to make every user happy, we think that we've reached the best compromise for openSUSE 11.1 and beyond, to ensure a smooth transition. Now that we have a clear path, we welcome any contributors who wish to help out. Please join the #opensuse-kde channel or speak up on the opensuse-factory list if you have any questions about how to get started with testing and packaging. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Call for SUSE Linux Enterprise and openSUSE beta testers
by Andreas Jaeger 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

In the "old days" SuSE had a closed list of beta testers that would help with SuSE Linux testing and try to help SuSE ensure the best possible Linux distribution. Many beta testers expressed an interest in joining the SUSE Linux Enterprise beta program as well. We're happy to announce that we have found a way to make this possible, and we'd like to expand the beta program to include new testers as well. This week we will release the first beta of openSUSE 11.1 and begin the beta phase of SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED) 11 and SUSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) 11. While the products share a code base - and therefore testing of SUSE Linux Enterprise will benefit openSUSE in general - there are differences in package selection, workflow, and setup which require each product to be tested separately. As always, we will be doing extensive testing of openSUSE 11.1 in public, but SLED and SLES will be tested in a private program. If you're interested in openSUSE testing, please subscribe to the openSUSE-testing(a)opensuse.org mailing list here: http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate/Mailinglists You can find additional information on testing openSUSE on the wiki: http://en.opensuse.org/Testing If you'd like to be part of the SLED and SLES testing team, contact Holger Sickenberg <holgi(a)suse.de> with the following information: * Your Linux experience * Previous testing experience, if any * Areas you are interested in testing We will select a group of qualified beta testers from the volunteers for SLED and SLES testing. As a thank you to those who participate in SLED, SLES, and openSUSE testing, we will provide SLED/SLES licenses to some testers, public recognition, and a couple of netbooks for outstanding work of testing SLED, SLES, and openSUSE. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj(a)suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

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[opensuse-factory] Contrib: Reminder - please join to the new mailing list
by Alexey Eremenko 14 Sep '08

14 Sep '08

Hi Contrib-utors ! Reminder: we have setup a new mailing-list and we need to move to it. Please - all user who would like to contribute new 3rd party packages to openSUSE, join the new list: opensuse-contrib(a)opensuse.org opensuse-contrib+subscribe(a)opensuse.org -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 14.9.2008. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Contrib: Packages Review: "banner"
by Alexey Eremenko 14 Sep '08

14 Sep '08

Hi All, Next package, "banner" - ASCII Art text renderer Description: Banner fills an apparent hole in Linux - that is, that is does not provide a "banner" program itself, while nearly all UNIX systems seem to do so. Banner prints a "banner" on the screen that corresponds to the first 10 characters of a string entered on the command line, in a way similar to what you might see when using Solaris or AIX. There are fancier things out there, but this is nice and simple. This package is in OBS. Current maintainer: me (Alexey Eromenko "Technologov") URL http://www.cedar-solutions.com/software.html License: GPL Latest update: Wasn't updated for long time. Program is feature complete, and doesn't need updating. OBS URL: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/FenixNBK/openSUSE_11.0/ Testing: Package received testing from me 10.2/10.3/11.0 (32-bit) =============================================== What do you think of the package? -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] ext3 filesystem & RPM database problems with small blocksize
by Felix Miata 14 Sep '08

14 Sep '08

Mentioning http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11564 here FYI since a bug in Novell Bugzilla would probably get closed to upstream. -- "Unless the Lord builds the house, its builders labor in vain." Psalm 127:1 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Anyone with reduced midnight commander functionality
by Dave Plater 12 Sep '08

12 Sep '08

Hi, I had reduced functionality with mc while running the 2.6.27 kernel, notably f3 view, f4 edit keys not working and failure to unpack rpm and zip files while bz,tgz etc unpack. Regards Dave P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Status openSUSE distribution
by Christoph Thiel 12 Sep '08

12 Sep '08

Hi everyone, I'm back in Nuremberg now. The team was pushing hard this week to get something installable out of the build system. In the end, we had something that started to install, but didn't get through, due to the new product handling, which is still causing some problems. Therefore we won't release any Alpha3plus this week. Coming next week: openSUSE 11.1 Beta1 -- get ready for testing! Have a great weekend, Christoph -- Christoph Thiel, Tech. Project Management, Research & Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] what goes throught BETA and what goes in STABLE
by Felix Möller 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

Hi, it seems like factory dependencies have some problems at the moment. Today zypper removed itself because of a missing dependency it seems. (without warning!) Earlier this week there was the pixman issue, causing Firefox any many other apps to crash. So I am wondering myself what goes into STABLE and what gets directly into factory (STABLE)? Currently Eclipse 3.4 is in BETA.[1] But shouldn't the core libraries like zypper and the X be even more tested? May I ask who is testing BETA? I do not want to offend anybody, I'd just like to know how the separation of STABLE and BETA works... greetings Felix Möller [1] bug #293439 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] The KDE way for openSUSE 11.1
by Michael Loeffler 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

Hi, as discussed in a former project meeting we should discuss how we handle KDE in openSUSE 11.1. To avoid any misunderstanding we will offer on the DVD still KDE and Gnome. It just the question which or how many KDE's ;-) The proposal of the internal team (beineri, michl, cthiel, aj, klaas, mlasars, zonker) is trying to make KDE 4.1 as good as possible and maintain our reputation to offer the best integrated KDE. Top 3 reasons for that: - KDE 4.1 is ready for prime time - clear decision and move to the future - limited ressources KDE 4.1 is released and - no doubt - much better than 4.0. But there are still discussions that KDE 4.1 lacks some capabilities KDE 3.5.x had. If you have any issue with KDE 4.1 on openSUSE please report a bug to drive attention on it and patches are also welcome ;-) What can/should we do? a) Delivery of KDE 4.1 on media as our default KDE desktop, add some 3.5.x applications where necessary, older KDE through online repos Pros: - clear position and direction to the future - KDE 4.1 ready for the mayority of users - focus of efforts to KDE 4.1 Cons: - some users will lack certain features or habits b) We may add again both KDEs to the DVD Pros: we offer choice and may make everybody happy Cons: - space limitations on DVD may prevent this option - maintenance and integration of 2 KDE desktops needed which the internal KDE team hardly can accomplish - we're backing a desktop which anyway won't receive much attention from upstream anymore - confusion - which KDE should I choose Please bring up your opinion so that we're doing the right thing for openSUSE 11.1 Best M -- Michael Löffler, Product Management Email: michl(a)suse.de Phone: +49 911 74053-376 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] 32 bit factory zypper out of sync with other packages
by Dave Plater 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

Hi, somebody has forgotten to put zypper-0.12.3-2.i586.rpm into factory, libzypp and satsolver-tools are up to date. Regards Dave P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] problems with todays factory
by felix＠derklecks.de 10 Sep '08

10 Sep '08

Hi, i just did my biweekly factory update but now my system seems to be quiet messed up. Something is brocken in zypper all commands end with: # LANG=CC zypper ref Target initialization failed: rpmdb2solv -r '/' -p '/etc/products.d' > '/var/cache/zypp/solv/@System/solvnlW7Uo' repo_products: syntax error at line 1:0 and all GTK applications do not work because of: # thunderbird /usr/lib/thunderbird/thunderbird-bin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2: undefined symbol: pixman_region32_init Therefore I do not have nm-applet anymore ... Just to make everybody aware of it, will look into it tomorrow. HTH Felix Möller --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Mango - Migration Assistant Next GeneratiOn
by Pavol Rusnak 09 Sep '08

09 Sep '08

Hi all! I would like to introduce Mango, Google Summer of Code project mentored by me and implemented by Peter Libic. You can learn about it on my blog[1] and even more information could be found on openSUSE wiki[2]. We are really looking for feedback. Thank you! [1] http://stick.gk2.sk/blog/?p=40 [2] http://en.opensuse.org/Mango -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o Package Maintainer Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9, CR prusnak[at]suse.cz http://www.suse.cz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Zypper vs Yum: Lacking Features discussion
by Alexey Eremenko 08 Sep '08

08 Sep '08

Hi All, I would like to discuss a bit about zypper and yum, and perhaps, open feature-requests. Yum is old Red Hat's technology while zypper is new SUSE's thing :) More seriously: -I have heard that yum has ability to show the package changelog diff for pacakges to be updated, while zypper lacks it -yum shows the repository from which the package will be installed. (Very useful if you have many repos with duplicate packages.) What do you think ? Are those small annoyances touch you ? -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] 'Thought of 2 more.
by Fred A. Miller 07 Sep '08

07 Sep '08

I just thought of 2 other things to mention in regard to 4.*. First, screen savers are limited, and 3d screen savers don't run correctly - often just in a small square window. Other times one will lock up the entire desktop. This on laptops with Intel video chipsets. The second is there's nolonger a list of most used apps. Fred -- "Security" in Windows comes from patching a sieve. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] The KDE way for openSUSE 11.1
by Fred A. Miller 07 Sep '08

07 Sep '08

Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Fred Miller <fmiller(a)lightlink.com> [01-01-70 11:34]: >> [snip] >> >> I'm done discussing it.....period. What they ship is what they ship. >> It will succeed or fail. When 4.2 is released, I'll check it out. If >> it has what my users need, fine. If not, we'll see what Gnome has to >> offer then. >> > > But we really do need to help or nothing will change. I understand > your point, but nothing is being accomplished this way and it *is* > going to move on wether we help to change/improve it or not. [snip] I simply don't have the time now, nor anytime soon, to go through every feature in 3.5 and compare what is missing in 4.* right now. First, I'm not willing to mess up a box with 4.1 to do that. I wish I did, but I don't. I'm going to semi-retire next year and will have a tad more time, but now I don't. Maybe someone else does. Take care, Fred -- "Security" in Windows comes from patching a sieve. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Re: [opensuse-offtopic] My Windows 7 wish list
by Fred A. Miller 06 Sep '08

06 Sep '08

Carl Spitzer wrote: > On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 16:27 +0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote: >> You can't wish anything for Windows. It has closed development cycle. >> > > Is there a team for fixing decades old bugs? Their memories were erased. ;) Fred -- Linux is an old Latin word meaning, "I don't have to support your Windows anymore." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] wireless networks
by ¡ElCheVive! 06 Sep '08

06 Sep '08

Hi, Anyone knows if theres a problem with KNetworkManager or ifup in connecting to wireless networks with ESSIDs containing special characteres like º, ª, ã, and others? regards, Luiz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-factory] The KDE way for openSUSE 11.1
by Dominique Leuenberger 05 Sep '08

05 Sep '08

On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 20:51 +1000, Basil Chupin wrote: > Alternatively, since very few people use Gnome, put Gnome on the CD and > have the *full* KDE3 with (crippled) KDE4 on the DVD. > > KDE4 is at the centre of this whole debate so *it* should be *"reduced"* > and *NOT* KDE3 which is fully functional and stable. Please please please.. don't go there... just because YOU do not use something does not mean that only 'very few people' use something... Dominique --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Sun Java in the NON-OSS Repo
by Dominique Leuenberger 05 Sep '08

05 Sep '08

Hi, Yesterday I was fscing a 'problem' where I had to connect using our SSL/VPN solution to the corporate network (using a Juniper SSL/VPN). I logged in to the webportl, and then to initiate the real connection, a java applet is started that installs the client and connects to the network. Unfortunately, this applet is not working with the existing 1.7 and 1.6 openjdks that are provided at this moment in Factory. I had to revert to a sun version (grabbed it from an 11.0 non-oss repo). Could we keep the Java versions in the non-oss repo, until the new, open versions provide all the functionality required? This would be awesome! Thank you for reading, Dominique --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] nvidia and kernel-2.6.27-rc5-git2-5
by Dave Plater 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

Has anybody had any success with the NVIDIA-Linux-x86-173.14.12-pkg1.run package and the factory kernel? Regards Dave P --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] openSUSE 11.1 Alpha3 and status
by Christoph Thiel 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

Hi everyone, as I'm traveling all of this week, I just wanted to let you know, that we will stick to http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap and won't release an Alpha3 this week. (http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap/11.1 mentioned an Alpha3, without taking Hackweek and travel plans into consideration.) As soon as I'm back in Nuremberg next week, I'll push for a test build Alpha3plus. The status of the distribution is short this time: last week was hackweek -> not much progress. We still have too many failing packages. Best, Christoph -- Christoph Thiel, Tech. Project Management, Research & Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] opensuse-contrib mailing list
by Hans-Peter Holler 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

Hi subscribers of factory, what about establishing a separate $subject? These discussions might be interesting for hackers/maintainers/testers of packages like banner or putty which are of course needed for people not satisfied with factory/release. But seeing that on factory? Just my thoughts. Hans-Peter --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Contrib: Packages Review: "putty"
by Alexey Eremenko 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

Hi All, Next package, "putty" - Graphical SSH/Telnet/Serial COM Client. Description: Cross-Platform Graphical SSH/Telnet/Serial COM Client. Exactly the tool Windows administrators need when migrating to Linux desktops. This package is in OBS. OBS URL: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/peternixon/openSUSE_11.0/ Current maintainer: Peter Nixon Here - we have 2 possibilities - We either need to find Peter Nixon somehow, -or- I will maintain the package (Alexey Eromenko "Technologov") URL http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html License: MIT Latest update: 2007. v0.60 NOTES: Latest putty is based on GTK1. Rumors say that there is a GTK2 version of putty in development. Testing: Package received some testing from me on 11.0 (32-bit) =============================================== What do you think of the package? -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] KDE 4.1 + digikam kde4
by Joop Boonen 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Hello all, I have a request. Can digiKam 0.10.0-beta2 please be added to the factory build of KDE 4.1? As an option? http://www.digikam.org/ Regards, Joop Boonen. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Contrib repository
by Pascal Bleser 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Sorry for breaking the thread, but it's on purpose: let's try to focus a bit on _one_ topic, the contrib repository (and please don't reply on minor points, we're discussing the big picture here.. one thing at a time :)). 1) Duplication and home:* is killing the cat^WOBS ================================================= To me, the biggest problem in the OBS (from an user's perspective) is that - - there are way too many home:* repositories with pointless duplication of existing packages (existing e.g. in other OBS repos, or in the Packman repo) - - home:* repositories with different goals and levels of quality: - -- some are just playgrounds to learn about packaging, - -- others are good quality and exist under "home:" because it's either - --- too tedious to get maintainer rights in one of the "real" OBS project (you might think it isn't, but people who contribute many packages in their free time can't just wait for a few hours to get access), or - --- we're lacking several "real" repositories (e.g. nowhere to put Jabber clients, command-line utilities, firewall tools, hardware related packages, ...) We _really_ have to move good packages from home:* repos into the "real" ones and have duplicates removed. 2) OBS: too many repos ====================== Clearly, the number of repositories _is_ a problem. Sorry for anyone denying this, but stuff is way too scattered into a multitude of repositories, and with every repository you add to any package manager, the likelihood of conflicts and other issues (e.g. running into package manager bugs) raises accordingly. 3) One big repository is rubbish ================================ The problem is that it is very complex to solve: having too many repositories (as of now) has a fair load of issues, at least for people who need/use many of them. But having few large repositories has its own share of drawbacks too: - - metadata is huge, takes too long to download just to upgrade a single package (Coolo mentioned that in a previous post) - - side-effects: here and then, you necessarily run into the need of providing newer "distro packages" (= packages included in openSUSE releases, or even in Factory); it's almost always a library that infects all packages that are built in that repository, hence barely giving users a chance of escaping that library package upgrade, even when not needed. Packman is a very good example of this situation (yes, some of us *are* aware of it, but it's very complex to solve and the tooling around RPM and repository metadata is extremely weak, to say the least), with the addition of two factors: - - we (=Packman) always provide the latest upstream versions of packages, which causes side-effects here and then, as described above - - we build+push both often and many packages, which causes very frequent repository metadata changes and, in turn, frequent large metadata downloads for users As said, it's very difficult to solve for Packman (and please don't tell me "just split the big repository", especially with the word "just"), but I'm explaining the above to make sure we try hard to avoid having that in the contrib repository. 4) Factory-staging is pointless =============================== Factory is Novell's kingdom. Period. Maybe that'll change in the future, but right now, Factory is where the upcoming openSUSE distros and the CODE11, CODE12, etc.. will spawn from. Adding more packages to Factory really doesn't make sense. Personally, I'd rather tend to think that the opposite is a much better idea: reduce Factory somewhat, if possible, and have more in online repositories. Note that having a stable contrib repository is clearly an enabling factor for being able to reduce Factory. Always keep in mind that packages in Factory are _very_ different from packages in any other repository, because it means that - - there _must_ be a committed maintainer (security, bugfixes) for every single one of them, currently it even has to be a Novell employee - - every package there has to be maintained for many years (for the lifetime of the corresponding SLE, actually) - - Novell provides support to SLE customers (see level1->level3) for those packages, 24/7 Packages in Factory have a much higher payload in terms of efforts than packages in other repos. More packages in Factory = more work = less time = (less overall quality + less innovation) 5) Mimicking other distros ========================== Obviously, looking at what works and what doesn't in other distros makes sense. But the grass is always greener on the other side. Alexey, are you aware of the issues Debian users are encountering with those 18000 packages ? Don't just throw some numbers into the room. And Fedora isn't openSUSE: Fedora is much more of a playground for experimenting and throwing new stuff at their users than openSUSE is, because openSUSE is the foundation of SLE releases... and because we, openSUSE users, value that relative stability (ok, arguably, GNOME has Pulseaudio in 11.0 but well.. I guess you see my point ;)) 6) Stability is the key ======================= The goal of the contrib repository must indeed be "stability", which essentially means two things: - - feature freeze: when the Factory repository is freezed, the contrib repository must be freezed too; only allow bugfix upgrades (as, clearly, I doubt we'd find enough human resources to backport fixes) and reject feature upgrades - - stable software: packages that are in there need a lot of testing and must hence be picked carefully The point is to make an "additional" type of repository, not an "always the latest". And then we should think about how to have those packages tested properly in order to gain an acceptable level of quality in there when openSUSE distro releases happen (or, rather, when they're freezed). Following the alpha/beta/RC cycles of Factory and issue the same calls for testing could be an option. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser <pascal.bleser(a)opensuse.org> /\\ http://opensuse.org -- I took the green pill _\_v FOSDEM::23+24 Feb 2008, Brussels, http://fosdem.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIpiNzr3NMWliFcXcRAu60AJ97nnB2gFFdn9H4zjLVJ4ba/5RlFgCffVrn h5sWCiPqXCuzdyFembHaAq4= =h3hh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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Re: [opensuse-offtopic] Re: [opensuse-factory] The KDE way for openSUSE 11.1
by Alexey Eremenko 01 Sep '08

01 Sep '08

Well, seriously, removing KDE 3.x means pissing on a lot of Susers. Removing it will do nothing good to the distro. Except it will leave a lot of users angry. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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[opensuse-factory] Contrib: Packages Review
by Alexey Eremenko 01 Sep '08

01 Sep '08

Hi All, There was old topic, but I decided to create a new one, to stay focused. I have a proposal package review - and proposal package review procedure. Example package review: =============================================== "iperf" - IP Performance benchmark Description: Iperf is a tool to measure maximum TCP bandwidth, allowing the tuning of various parameters and UDP characteristics. Iperf reports bandwidth, delay jitter, datagram loss. This package is in OBS. Current maintainer: James Oakley (James also interested in contributing to "contrib" repo, so he may become a package maintainer) Alternative maintainer: me (Alexey Eromenko "Technologov") (if James don't wan't or can't support his child package) URL : http://dast.nlanr.net/Projects/Iperf/ URL 2 : http://sourceforge.net/projects/iperf License: custom OSS-compatible, BSD-like (http://dast.nlanr.net/Projects/Iperf/ui_license.html) Latest update: v2.0.4 Apr 2008 (which means, that package is maintained) OBS URL: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/jimfunk/openSUSE_11.0/src/ Testing: Package received some testing from me. Everything tested found to work. No crashes. =============================================== 1. What do you think of the review process 2. What do you think of the package -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 26.8.2008 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help(a)opensuse.org

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